Binding Coil of Bahamut Discussion

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Originally Posted by Medieval

I believe I am conducting myself just fine with my opinions.

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Your opinion does not matter as that does not fall in line with what SE has said/done.

If your opinion differs, it is of no matter to them. You need to follow and abide by the rules("morals") that they have in place.

I think its funny that anyone is trying to justify it for them. Take a moment and put yourselves in their shoes:

1) You engage the boss, expecting an otherwise normal attempt.
2) At some random percentage, the boss stops behaving as normal.
3) You continue for some short time, expecting the boss to return to normal. At this point it is obviously NOT returning to normal.
4) You make the _conscious decision_ to continue and defeat the encounter.


Point 4 here is where the problem with their thought process lies. They could have just as easily wiped at this point and reported the bug to SE, continuing on as if nothing had happened. Nothing in what was done would require them to _KILL_ the boss. The only reasons you can possibly come up with for completing the kill are 100% self serving. There are zero legitimate reasons you can come up with as to why it would be okay to proceed with a bugged kill in this manner. Just because they are "supposedly" taking the high road and reporting this doesn't negate this fact. The bottom line is that it was done. Maybe they did it, and someone in their FC/LS threatened to report them so they quickly moved into self preservation mode, or maybe they realized that it was possible that their secret got out. Instead, they now have the irreversible damage of access to lore, knowledge, and story that no-one else in the game does, and they are probably crossing their fingers that they get to keep the loot as well. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy this "Good guy guild" mentality.

When the boss magically stops doing anything be it abilities or even normal attacks you would think something may be off about it(especially since it's faily early in the fight when it could happen). This smells like the same kind of thing as LK when he was first released where a guild found an exploit and abused it getting a kill and even though they made it known it was an issue they were still banned for several days for using said exploit and all items/achievements taken from them.

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

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As I've said, only hindsight is 20/20. What seems like a good idea at the time is stupid after the fact. Lets not forget, with this bug starting at 80% as they said this fight would only last 5 minutes at most from that point? They are trying to right a wrong. The real stupid move they did was make this crap public. All I've seen is witch hunts and defenders of what they did. They asked for a rollback, I'd say give it to them. Will that happen? Honestly no, SE is a bit less lenient than imagined, these guys will probably get banned. I don't agree they should regardless.

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Originally Posted by Medieval

I believe I am conducting myself just fine with my opinions. Thank you for your concerns, but honestly don't speak to me like I am doing my FC wrong. I do not believe they are exploiting a bug, they reported it and made it known on a public forum that they are willing to submit to a rollback and loss of loot. I don't think any action needs to be taken besides said rollback/loss of loot. I am curious though, is my opinion so unacceptable that it has no merit? Are you the god child that knows everything and those who dare speak in opposition deserve no voice?

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It's like committing a crime and then confessing to it. You still committed the crime, they may get a more lenient punishment - the thing about a rollback is that it's not really a punishment, if all I'm going to lose is the items that I got "illegally". It's like robbing a bank and all I have to do is give back the money. It's not a disincentive to committing the crime. It sets a bad precedent for future possible exploits.

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Originally Posted by Medieval

As I've said, only hindsight is 20/20. What seems like a good idea at the time is stupid after the fact. Lets not forget, with this bug starting at 80% as they said this fight would only last 5 minutes at most from that point? They are trying to right a wrong. The real stupid move they did was make this crap public. All I've seen is witch hunts and defenders of what they did. They asked for a rollback, I'd say give it to them. Will that happen? Honestly no, SE is a bit less lenient than imagined, these guys will probably get banned. I don't agree they should regardless.

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The fight would last longer than 5 minutes from this point, and 5 minutes of not being attacked is plenty of time to say "oh, wait, maybe we shouldn't do this!"

I have been in this exact position before, where a boss has stopped attacking and all scripts have stopped working. It took roughly 30 seconds for us to decide among 20 something people that, oh hell, we should stop -- something is wrong here... we might get banned.

They did something stupid, and they are trying to backpedal and play it off like its no big deal now. I don't buy it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1334623

Above pointed out the end snip that says account rollback to account termination. I'm not an expert, but seeing as they confessed promptly, I'd hope they'd get the more lenient of sentences. I however have a conflicting opinion they will be made an example of. Time will tell, or maybe it wont. They haven't said who they are even if it's fairly obvious seeing as they gave the server.

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Originally Posted by enil

It's like committing a crime and then confessing to it. You still committed the crime, they may get a more lenient punishment - the thing about a rollback is that it's not really a punishment, if all I'm going to lose is the items that I got "illegally". It's like robbing a bank and all I have to do is give back the money. It's not a disincentive to committing the crime. It sets a bad precedent for future possible exploits.

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This is also just a video game.


Yoshi didn't seem too upset when a bug was literally locking people into the dungeon for 10s of hours at a time unable to play the game, he was even laughing about it in a video where someone mentions it to him. I can see it now. "Well, it was pretty funny when players got locked in the dungeon and couldn't play the game, and we said we would fix it and then it happened again, but now that the dungeon is bugging out in a way that was beneficial to one group it is time to start banning people."

Lets get real for a second anyways. The special task force hasn't even been able to take care of Jasdfhwj Aqdsfgg who has been sending me tells for 3 days about how I can get crystals 100% handwork guaranteed. Do you honestly think they will hand out bans because the game broke?

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Originally Posted by MiaBella

Lets get real for a second anyways. The special task force hasn't even been able to take care of Jasdfhwj Aqdsfgg who has been sending me tells for 3 days about how I can get crystals 100% handwork guaranteed. Do you honestly think they will hand out bans because the game broke?

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They actually have a special task force for handing out bans (for gold selling though).
You need to look at Square Enix and the precedent they've already set. They have already banned players for exploiting and are reasonably well known for being heavy-handed for bans.

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Originally Posted by enil

They actually have a special task force for handing out bans (for gold selling though).
You need to look at Square Enix and the precedent they've already set. They have already banned players for exploiting and are reasonably well known for being heavy-handed for bans.

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This is accurate. They will more than likely put down the hammer just to drive home a point.