Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

After burning myself out last night by smacking my face against FATEs for 4-5 hours, I've resolved to only put 2 hours a day into Atma FATE grinding. If I don't get it, so be it, another day. Not gonna spend too much time on what can be a fruitless encounter.

And in those 2 hours, I'll be pushing my retainers out to get materials ohohoho.

We can file this one under, "Becareful for what you ask for".

well this has made it almost impossible for people to lvl their lower lvl classes with fates, I'm not going to blame the players for what they have to do in order to get the relic+2 but on my server in the Western La Noscea its almost impossible to lvl a low lvl class with fates, SE could have used mid to high lvl fates for it like 30-40, it does have some ups and downs, ups theres more people to do the fates downs sometimes its over before some people make it there.

I'm having fun with it, and have no issue with putting in some work for something.

I like it.
It's not like I love FATE-ing, but there are multiple good things that SE did with this:


1. While the new Relic might not be super-unique, due to the time involved nearly noone will have all the Relics upped. So you can say that to some extent the new Relic is only for your mainclass(es).

2. Low level characters actually have a far better chance of doing Fates aside from the usual spots (I can't count how many Fates I soloed just for the heck of it, because noone ever does Fates in certain regions), so that makes it a bit more fun, albeit maybe still slower than being at suncoast all day^^

3. I actually like grinding and so do other people. If this won't be the same every new upgrade I think it'S a nice change of pace.

This is a long post but I'm writing this with to be taken as real feedback for the game.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

It's not about grinding low level fates it's about dedicating time and effort.

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Wow? That's what time and effort is for you? Not going through new content or spending time devising ways to conquer the new bahamut 2nd coil or EX Leviathan? Marching from one fate to another for hours on end is not in any shape or form an achievement in this game. The whole emphasis of this quest is based on luck. Not on a raid or a boss fight or an instance. Just mindless, seemingly endless grinding of a fate(s) and I certainly didn’t ask for that.

I just spent 6 hours with my best friend farming for only ONE...ONE of the items.

I see a lot of players in favor of these changes saying a 6 hour grind on FATEs isn’t hard. However, the point that some of us are trying to make is that it’s not about the “effort” of the six hour grind, but the drop rate that forces players to wade through those six hours.

I’m on vacation and I will be going back to work soon. I live in Japan. For those of you who don’t know the work hours in Japan… don’t even bother.
In my opinion, the game has done a great job of accommodating a wide range of players (perhaps in favor of casual players). While the Atma/Animus weapons are meant to be a long term goal, it’s not realistic to grind FATEs for six hours or more just for one Atma piece.

It’s clear the game is still looking to strike a balance with short and long-term goals, but I dare say this is beyond the realm of realistic expectations for players. There is so much more content out there that time could be better spent on. EX Leviathan isn’t going to be on farm status on most servers any time soon, let alone getting lucky to get the mirror to upgrade the Leviathan weapons.

The other alternative is high allagan weapons, but we all know it’s going to be a long time before anyone is getting those. If you do, then this game has even more problems. There’s no denying that many players will be waiting for video guides for EX Leviathan, and without the high allagan weapons or the weapons from gerolt, the smart money is to focus on upgrading the zenith weapons.

I feel this needs to be addressed immediately. I even had a few people come in the party, and leave after the first fate. I spent the time and effort on my holiday to grind this item. I've gone through the 5th floor, I've completed all the things I've wanted to complete prior to patch 2.2. I've had a lot of fun with this game but this particular fate grinding needs be reconsidered.

Just to be clear, I'm not quoting you to pick on you. I just feel the backlash from players with such a “hardcore” grinding mentality is just a little much.

Note: I don't remember my relic weapon being an easy ordeal like some of you claim. I remember my server (and hearing that most servers) were taking a lot of time to complete Titan.

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Originally Posted by bokchoykn

Because I'm spending my limited and precious leisure time doing something that is not:

• Challenging
• Social
• Thought-provoking
• Compelling
• Interactive
• FUN

I challenge anyone, especially S-E developers and representatives, to tell me that this is a fun activity. The fact that I spent the last three months anxiously awaiting this patch only to find myself grinding low-level fates is disturbing to me.

No more FATEs.

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This sums up my thoughts exactly. Been helping people who fail titan hard all day. I'm not doing zodiac relics until they fix the atma part.

Coming from a background of korean mmos, honestly this is nothing new to me and I'm actually perfectly fine with it. Relics shouldn't be handed out freely and I would say this would compensate for the ease of the zenith weapon. One small change I would like to see if such quests are implemented in future would be to not limit the grinding to fate. Make it such that any mob in that zone has a chance to drop the item. It can be 0.1% or 0.01% , I don't really care but I hate standing around waiting for fates to spawn or travelling across half the map to get to a fate. I would much prefer if I can choose 1 corner of the map to grind mobs non-stop, even for a few hours its better than spending half of the time standing around or riding on my mount to get to fates.

Just my 2 cents.

My perspective:

Having the FATE requirement for atmas is ingenious. By getting the high level characters to do FATEs in the lower level areas, those FATEs become accessible to low level participants. While levelling, it can be quite frustrating to see a FATE, especially and NM FATE that you can't engage because there is no one to help you. This will help futher open up the game to new players and those levelling secondary classes.

Sure, it will be a bit of a grind, but only if you take a mentality of rushing it.

3 Hours FATE farming yesterday, 0 atma , 5 min in today, just got my first.

Brb gonna throw some coins in the Lucky well close to my house! Seems all you need