Dark Knight Megathread

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That however, goes under the assumption that the devs play all the jobs. As we've seen with the P8S debacle, they do not.

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Well in this case I'd at least hope it'd be easy enough to swap out tanks to test the mobs and notice quickly if any are falling behind or not but who knows.

I'm also kinda hoping their difficulty doesn't necessarily just come from hitting harder and having more HP, but also having more interesting mechs, maybe stuff that requires us to dust off our CC abilities. Otherwise I can see them just being normal dungeon pulls but more tedious.

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Originally Posted by Zordrage

Everyone and their grandma leveled up Warriors in the past few Weeks/Months.
80% of the tanks in all the Rulettes are Warriors.

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Overall I agree with you but to be fair though the issue is that War (specifically Bloodwhetting) is incredibly over tuned for dungeon content compared to the other 3 tanks. Like I have all 4 to 90 but why would I bother wanting to run any of the other 3 when I can easy mode through such casual content. If Criterion is anything like the regular dungeons it would beg the question of why wouldn't anyone take the thing that has the obvious advantage.

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Originally Posted by Sancho_Nyanta

Overall I agree with you but to be fair though the issue is that War (specifically Bloodwhetting) is incredibly over tuned for dungeon content compared to the other 3 tanks. Like I have all 4 to 90 but why would I bother wanting to run any of the other 3 when I can easy mode through such casual content. If Criterion is anything like the regular dungeons it would beg the question of why wouldn't anyone take the thing that has the obvious advantage.

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For normal expert dungeons I actually prefer dark knight over warrior, the extreme overhealing from warrior just isn't needed and dark knight does significantly more aoe damage, making the run faster. If criterion savage actually deals some tank damage however warrior will be the obvious choice.

Are people legit being preemptively concerned about WAR getting to have a niche? DRK has savage raids and up already. Let poor WAR have something it can be the best at, if things even end up playing out that way. This remains to be seen.

Even if it is, that does not diminish DRK in any capacity. It will still be perfectly viable.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Are people legit being preemptively concerned about WAR getting to have a niche? DRK has savage raids and up already. Let poor WAR have something it can be the best at, if things even end up playing out that way. This remains to be seen.

Even if it is, that does not diminish DRK in any capacity. It will still be perfectly viable.

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I find niches based on hard-specialization on content types (Warrior vs Dungeons because of excessive healing, DRK vs Raids because of excessive DPS contribution and cooldown relevance, etc) incredibly revolting. Tanks should feel unique, but they should not go above and beyond based on the type of content you play to the point where you feel sorry for not being a specific job and letting people down.

On one hand, Raw Intuition / Blood Whetting / Nascent Flash provide an obscene amount of sustain in AOE scenarios where one could suggest a reduction there-of for AOE abilities only (so 400 on single target, 150-200 per target on AOE) to reel the healing potential of Warrior in a bit. On the flipside, the damage values of PLD / WAR should not have a massive gap like we had on the start of 6.2 in the first place.

That aside, community perception is unforgiving. If for any reason WAR for Criterion (Savage) becomes "mandatory"-meta and people start locking all other tank jobs, then we have a reverse-Abyssos case where WAR's sustain shines too bright to not use for optimisation.


I won't straight up speak doom and gloom, but it is prudent to be wary.

I've honestly seen my GNB out burst my DRK in AoE mobs more reliably because of how long it takes for Fray to pump out, most of the mobs die or it's time to move on before he can usually. These little nuances might be really important in Criterion.

But I'm expecting to see WAR, WHM, DNC SMN comps a lot for this, at least early on.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

IBut I'm expecting to see WAR, WHM, DNC SMN comps a lot for this, at least early on.

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I wouldn't count SGE out. SGE and WAR make for an extremely potent combination when handled correctly.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I wouldn't count SGE out. SGE and WAR make for an extremely potent combination when handled correctly.

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Oh definitely. Toxicon is amazing, better than Holy usually, but I think they'll have MP management issues depending on how much/if we can recover HP/MP between pulls.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

I've honestly seen my GNB out burst my DRK in AoE mobs more reliably because of how long it takes for Fray to pump out, most of the mobs die or it's time to move on before he can usually. These little nuances might be really important in Criterion.

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DRK's AoE is very decisively worse than GNB's AoE as of 6.2, because Living Shadow's AoE was nerfed significantly and the buff to Abyssal Drain does very little to make up for it. At this point DRK's AoE damage is a lot closer to WAR and PLD than it is to GNB.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Are people legit being preemptively concerned about WAR getting to have a niche? DRK has savage raids and up already. Let poor WAR have something it can be the best at, if things even end up playing out that way. This remains to be seen.

Even if it is, that does not diminish DRK in any capacity. It will still be perfectly viable.

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Theres having a niche, and then theres having so much AOE healing that you might as well have Hallowed Grounds on a 25s CD.