More dialogue options? Ok, sure. Nidhogg had the right to kill an entire group of people because their ancestors killed one of his kin? Absolutely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekokaori
Edit: I understand why Nidhogg was furious. I get why he was doing what he was doing, but no. Just no.
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04-09-2022, 02:05 AMXirean
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04-09-2022, 02:10 AMKaurhzHonestly, I can't like this post enough. There wasn't enough death, and it does contradict some of my earlier and initial sentiments. But when I think back to ShB, they hit really hard with ramping up the stakes when they gave the death of Tesleen. It was an off-character, but ultimately it set the stakes early on. This was the highest points of ShB for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derio
But ultimately, I feel like regardless of how I look at it I can't justify how post-story Shadowbringers got handled. I think if I'm being honest, I knew all along that it would come down to the death of Zodiark which would be the final days, but this is precisely why. In EW we spent toddling around with towers for effectively 3-to-4 levels before we got anything of substance (These towers never should've existed in the first place, and I think Fandaniel should've been teased early in ShB). This is a nuts idea but I feel like Elidibus should've been kept around, and that Zodiark should've been the 5.3 trial. It's nuts but they could have then spent onwards on 5.4 and 5.5 really setting the stage for the end, and not just playing babysit the towers until we figure it out. Doing this I feel like they could have set the stage for everything. It would be similar to ShB in this area, but the weather is what made this so impactful, I feel they could have altered the weather without being too impact on, say fishing or hunts then this would've been excellent. We could have also gotten a true redemption arc for Elidibus during the story of Endwalker, acting as a guide of sorts without necessarily needing to resort to time-travel shenanigans.
In a sense, I don't think they had enough time and space to give Endwalker, or the Final Days to be truly boggling. I wouldn't have wanted that to come at the expense of some slice of life moments, because I do think those small, and fleeting moments are integral to giving 'that reason to live on and survive'. The towers just felt so anticlimactic, and having Fandaniel introduced in the base story of ShB would've added to the intrigue of "Who is this guy?!?!", instead of amounting to Zenos' disobedient lackey. -
04-09-2022, 02:18 AMNekokaoriexpect they desevered it they not only denyed and lied about it but every believer they called a hertic and hunted down like dogs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Xirean
when someone turns something or someone who is pure into a monster by pain I feel no pity for them getting butchered like they desever -
04-09-2022, 02:22 AMXireanYou mean the church did that. And who did we remove from power in HW? I agree that Nidhogg deserved justice, but that justice does not and will not ever extend to having the right to genocide an entire group of people. Punish explicitly those responsible and not a soul more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekokaori
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04-09-2022, 02:39 AMCaurcas
Eye for an eye makes the world blind.
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04-09-2022, 02:41 AMNekokaorimaybe the world would be better off blind if the the fear makes it stop causing suffering maybe its better off without eyes at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Caurcas
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04-09-2022, 03:17 AMCrownySuccubusI think you misunderstand the metaphor here. "Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" more accurately means, "Making other people suffer as revenge for your own suffering just causes everyone to suffer". It is not literally about blindness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekokaori
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04-09-2022, 03:33 AMKizuyaKatogamiMeanwhile us just casually rendering an entire race extinct. Also i feel like it’s easy to say that when we’re in the group that suffers the least. Like it’s easy for the main cast or protagonists to say that because they weren’t the one that had to suffer all that tragedy in the first place, same goes for nidhogg and the dragons. I’m not really on either side for this but it’s important to understand the…idk what the right word for it would be. Bias is the only thing i can think of, but just the way it’s easy for people to say “hey, just move forward lul” when they’ve hardly experienced the amount of suffering and hardships as other people just comes across as rather tone deaf. I guess it just loops around to one of the many problems of Endwalker. Trying to preach about suffering and moving forward yet the main cast is never held accountable for denying that like when they mess with time to bring someone back from the dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus
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04-09-2022, 03:36 AMCrownySuccubus
I'm not defending the idiom itself. I think it sometimes applies, but not always.
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04-09-2022, 03:51 AMNekokaorino i got that point and mataphor so i shifted into one of my own ... god i hate mentioning this anime butQuote:
Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus
if you show them real pain they will stop causing it like pain in naruto did