Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Decrith

The best I've ever done in T8 is 430 with 490 ACC BiS. I can't seem to get past it, and I've been trying to for a while now. Is there any tip anyone can give me? My only responsibility is the tower (every other wave) as our MNK is the one doing landmines.

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1. Saving gapclosers (spineshatter, reverse elusive, dragonfire) for reducing dps downtime after towers
2. Use X pot of STR HQ at the initial burst w1 and later around w6/7
3. 490 acc...... means theres gonna be 1 or 2 missed hits
4. Pray u dun get AF

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Originally Posted by Noxotic

It's a loss of 23 STR from full i110 gear, and then another loss in CRIT from BiS by over 100 (mitigated by food) for an 80-100 (depending on food) gain in DET. I don't know if the loss in STR is worth it :x

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23 STR equals to 69 DET, 100 crit rating equals to 6.97% crit chance (not to mention crit hard cap is around 25% theoritically and 20% realistically), seems not worthed it

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Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven

The thing is I have only one sand at the moment, so I still have no idea of where I should use it first.

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1. HA headgear is BiS, dun waste ur sands on weathered Astrum helm
2. Astrum Mail is 110 BiS
3. Astrum Sabatons is 110 BiS
4. Ironically, ur det build didn't swap HA ring for REX ring or another weathered gloam ring

Over time i have had a force of habit of Phlebotomizing at the start of a pull due to initial aggro of a tank which doesn't allow for successful HT 100% of the time. I also have made a habit of elusive jumping in backwards as a way to add an initial gap closer in a fight instead of wasting the dps potential of spineshatter with BFB/buffs or by running in with talon.

Im curious what other drgs have been doing about this? i suppose i may just need to get better at being able to HT at the start but honestly you never know with some tanks, some spin immediately meanwhile others delay it for a few seconds.

In all, the pre-mature use of phleb doesn't really mess up initial rotation to much other than you will skip it after chaos thrust and instead wait until after your first FT combo while still ultimately getting a buffd phleb on the boss in the end

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

400? Hmm, I would of assumed ilvl 108 would do more (more so with that Novus)?

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Yeah and I have pretty much every mechanic job besides popping land mines.

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Originally Posted by Empressia

1. Saving gapclosers (spineshatter, reverse elusive, dragonfire) for reducing dps downtime after towers
2. Use X pot of STR HQ at the initial burst w1 and later around w6/7
3. 490 acc...... means theres gonna be 1 or 2 missed hits
4. Pray u dun get AF

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Thanks, it's probably the gapclosers I'm having problems with. Anyway 490 is enough for flank, never missed in all my runs.

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Originally Posted by Empressia

1. HA headgear is BiS, dun waste ur sands on weathered Astrum helm
2. Astrum Mail is 110 BiS
3. Astrum Sabatons is 110 BiS
4. Ironically, ur det build didn't swap HA ring for REX ring or another weathered gloam ring

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1) I swear I had read differently elsewhere, but I am glad this is not the case. Gonna hold on till it drops.
2) Understood.
3) ^
4) Eh, didn't have enough accuracy for the REX (awesome abbreviation lol) ring and I figured that STR > that DET on the Weathered Gloam. That still applies to the Mail, obviously, however the amount of DET/SKS switched was higher and more noticeable - I didn't want that to cripple my TP bar. Then again, though, if I use a second sand on the Astrum Sabatons I should be able to replace the HA ring with the REX ring, right?

So in the end it's better if I give up on the Guardian breastplate and upgrade the Mail - correct?

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Originally Posted by CesarLongsword

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1. Eh i always 100% HT 1st for boss initial pulls, only phlebo 1st on t9 golems switch (goodluck with the tanks running and turning for feeding meteors). Its called "waiting" for 1-2s
2. As for spine, i always use it for dps, gapcloser wise well it depends too much on RNG mechanics
3. sounds like ur pugging too much, better get a static tank

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Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven

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1. 18 crit > 25 sks, sks is only good for stealing 1-3 extra hits on boss and may cause ur death due to being greedy
2. for accuracy u only need at least 493 for t6-8, and 515 for t9 if u play safe
3. 1 STR = 3 DET
4. Even with 110 BiS set, we only have 496 acc max, which is barely above the minimum 493 acc needed for t6-9, hence y u need to ditch that cosplay armor suit

why would you wait 1-2s? wouldnt that be a dps loss?

if i elusive first i am usually at the boss before the tank

my initial rotation is usually something like this:

(elusive into boss) Phleb-HT(sweep) impusle (IR) diss (BFB) CT (PS) TT (jump) VT (LS) FT (spineshatter) Phleb (DFD/unless there is trash within ~2mins of fight) - HT(sweep) TT - VT - (BFB usually wears off) FT

i suppose you can hold on HT until after you get the BFB FT up, but i just wanna make it easier