[Feedback] Data Center Travel Changes

Every other game offers the ability to return to a home server with a fee with next to no questions asked as to why you're doing it - This one feels it necessary to tell you regardless of how much time and money that has been spent that at any point they will lock the server down and force you to work with what you have on that server which feels slightly totalitarian - Flukes happen, misunderstandings happen - It was made very clear by SE that after the 90 day lockout something can be done but for right now - NOPE 90 days is 90 days because of crooked people exploiting the system and ruining it for people with serious issues - DC travel be damned regarding this.


As for your thinly veiled "old man doesn't know how the game industry works" remark - If you only knew just intrinsically connected I am as an audio engineer for 30+ years who I know on a professional and personal basis in the game industry... Keep your sewer SHUT - SE has already stated after 90 days they'll be able to do something, you fearmongering for your server and the situation is going to write a check you aren't going to be able to cash child... You aren't an advocate for the company nor do you represent them in any capacity outside of white knighting YOUR circumstances to possibly "educate" people as to what you think the companies going to do...

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Every other game offers the ability to return to a home server with a fee with next to no questions asked as to why you're doing it - This one feels it necessary to tell you regardless of how much time and money that has been spent that at any point they will lock the server down and force you to work with what you have on that server which feels slightly totalitarian - Flukes happen, misunderstandings happen - It was made very clear by SE that after the 90 day lockout something can be done but for right now

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Listen, I'm not gonna flood this thread with screenshots of various other games where that first sentence is a lie/not possible *cough*.
https://i.imgur.com/3rWgP7T.png
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Let's do something significantly easier. Post 1 receipt of a decently populated MMO that has the feature you speak of. An MMO that does not have server/world caps, no world/server transfer restrictions, and or will allow someone to bypass a no transfer restriction.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Flukes happen, misunderstandings happen

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Listen, I'm not gonna flood this thread with screenshots of various other games where that first sentence is a lie/not possible *cough*.
https://i.imgur.com/3rWgP7T.png
https://i.imgur.com/uNBrkqV.png
https://i.imgur.com/yCnGPf2.png
https://i.imgur.com/c9f48sa.png

Let's do something significantly easier. Post 1 receipt of a decently populated MMO that has the feature you speak of. An MMO that does not have server/world caps, no world/server transfer restrictions, and or will allow someone to bypass a no transfer restriction.

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Yet WoW handles server transfers to FULL worlds (aka congested) just fine, weird how that works.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yet WoW handles server transfers to FULL worlds (aka congested) just fine, weird how that works.

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Out of curiousity I checked GW2, and it's very much the same.

https://i.imgur.com/3mF64HS.png
Source: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Transferring

I think SE should start copying homework from both Blizzard (allow people to transfer if they pay money) and give us a megaserver like GW2 or a mega-data center.

I'm curious why that is, what kind of limitations cause that and so on...

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Ok, and the second Aether will open, because it eventually will, people will pile on Aether again.

So ?

Cross DC PF is not in the work, because it'd require a tiny bit of effort from SE which they dont care to do, so what, do we just lock the DC indefinitely because people will pile up on it ? Where do we draw the line ?

They created DC travel, they created the problem. And this aint the solution, the second Aether eventually opens, it will happen again.

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Correct. They created DC travel and as a result caused a problem. I don't support restrictions of any kind, even those on retainers/fc buffs (or storage) even in cross world. Especially for retainers, something that you might be paying extra subscription for- to lose access to it while traveling is awful.

So? I think we might be seeing fluctuations of restrictions.

In my opinion DC travel affects certain aspects of the game and at times negatively ie hunts/PF. I don't enjoy feeling like I'm on the DC that is 'dying', or if I want content I have to inconvenience myself to go elsewhere. Things were fine before DC travel, it's only a problem because they didn't release it alongside cross DC PF/DF.

SE keeps insisting on segregating the playerbase by adding more DC that are dead on arrival. Instead we get resources invested into a half baked graphical update rather than a fix for that. I think until we get a permanent solution we might unfortunately deal with restrictions. Restrictions aren't new, and I agree they suck, I'd be down to DC travel on a new DC if I didn't lose access to something I'm paying monthly for or my buffs.

If it were up to me, I'd work pour resources into making cross DC PF/DF a reality, it'll lessen the load of people flocking to one DC while DC travel's restriction would be lifted, allowing people to travel freely to meet up with friends/do content or organize social events. I think it'd mitigate some of the issues that people are facing currently. That's my opinion anyway.

Restrictions suck. Depending on restrictions people will find ways around it and it might make said restrictions worse.

I hope SE comes up with a solution that makes people on both sides happy, though I have little faith.

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Originally Posted by 1313

The options were: to to another dc, stay on your dc, or don't do content. Then people attached a false label to aether and other data centers died off. if they hadnt congregated to one spot, everyone wouldve complained about how mid their expereinces had been. it mae perfect sense to do it. but now the options are:dont do the content. (for me). there's no valid option for me since my group is on another dc and we cant even meet up to hi five let alone raid.

This comes back to the players who need to do their part. They need to not attach false labels and spread misinformation. Aether was never the go to spot to do [content]. it was the go-to for ULTIMATES. everyone else should've stayed home, until the content drought (like they did), then gather in one spot (dc).

This is also largely due to certain things that spent up the endwalker budget, which left little for players to do at endgame considering there was no relic related content to keep people busy. So naturally, during a content drought with a shortage of endgame players, people would want to be in one spot. it's not dogpiling, it's adapting and overcoming hardships to be able to play the content they pay to play in a reasonably enjoyable atmosphere.

If they don't revert the restriction to be back to normal again with this hotfix, i'll bet dynamis become just as dead as it was when people were travelling to aether. the difference being, it'll be because they're unsubbed and offline instead of not being on their home world.

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I'll speak for Chaos in this case since EU is way smaller than NA and the effect of the 'adapting and overcoming hardships' like you call it was noticable. As people leave from one place to another, those that stay behind are going to be forced to follow. From my personal experience of doing content on chaos during ShB and EW (Pre-DC travel) I was always able to find something to do, I go on Light and the PF entries are sometimes double or triple that of Chaos, as I result I either had to lose access to my retainers, contact with friends, FC, just to farm EX or dabble in high end content.

Like I said, cross DC PF/DF would be a great solution to both you and me. I hope if that is ever implemented that restrictions to DC travel would be lifted entirely.

I don't believe restrictions are great. They're a bandaid fix. I think we need some kind of mega DC and stop this whole segregation SE loves doing.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Out of curiousity I checked GW2, and it's very much the same.

https://i.imgur.com/3mF64HS.png
Source: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Transferring

I think SE should start copying homework from both Blizzard (allow people to transfer if they pay money) and give us a megaserver like GW2 or a mega-data center.

I'm curious why that is, what kind of limitations cause that and so on...

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Personally I'd nix the megaserver. I'm a GW2 refugee and the megaserver system kept putting me in the same world as people I've blocked, and they were able to still harass me anyways. But if Sqenix can work it in such a way that that won't happen, I'd be fine with it.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yet WoW handles server transfers to FULL worlds (aka congested) just fine, weird how that works.

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The issue with FFXIV is the infrastructure was built incorrectly from the start and they built atop of it. FFXIV has separate individual storage spaces for absolutely everything, including retainers. This has not changed since 2.0 outside of capacity increases.

When we world transfer or DC travel, the system only keeps our personal inventory and a few special storage areas like the glamour dresser and armoire. Additionally, if you look at the buff bar the text color changes on them from green to white, which probably means it is applying a copy of a buff to the character without a designated source. Basically, they have a very clunky system and never intended for this feature to exist.

As for why WoW lets people transfer to congested servers and FFXIV doesn't, that's probably more a policy thing. FFXIV has had that suffering from success problem of getting too many players before so they try to make sure everyone has a max possible login time. WoW is just kind of a monster when it comes to this stuff: Simpler game so more time to deal with the big problems.

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Originally Posted by KazukoHimura

Personally I'd nix the megaserver. I'm a GW2 refugee and the megaserver system kept putting me in the same world as people I've blocked, and they were able to still harass me anyways. But if Sqenix can work it in such a way that that won't happen, I'd be fine with it.

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Don't we already have a literal delete character button in terms of block functionality? You can't see their model or messages anymore- something that isn't in GW2. I also played GW2 for 5 or so years before starting FFXIV, I never had issues with people there as much as I did here. I'm sorry you went through that. On the bright side as we become a megaserver/DC there'd be a larger pool of players to pick from and you'd unlikely run into someone you blocked in DF/PF.