Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

What i wonder:

The current potency says, that high fire2 is going down to 100.
How much is than normal fire 2 for lower lvl?
Fire 2 at lvl 75 is allready 100 potentie. When its evolved form has the same number, would it mean, that fire 2 would only be 60 or 80. What looks very weak for a aoe "rotation".

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Originally Posted by Keichi

What i wonder:

The current potency says, that high fire2 is going down to 100.
How much is than normal fire 2 for lower lvl?
Fire 2 at lvl 75 is allready 100 potentie. When its evolved form has the same number, would it mean, that fire 2 would only be 60 or 80. What looks very weak for a aoe "rotation".

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You can't take media tour potencies as gospel truth. We need to see the values on the live version. So don't worry too much about that yet.
(Unless some official notes came out in the meantime, but I think not)

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Originally Posted by Keichi

What i wonder:

The current potency says, that high fire2 is going down to 100.
How much is than normal fire 2 for lower lvl?
Fire 2 at lvl 75 is allready 100 potentie. When its evolved form has the same number, would it mean, that fire 2 would only be 60 or 80. What looks very weak for a aoe "rotation".

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Yes, as of Media Tour build, the potency of Fire/Blizzard II is 80. Ofc, numbers probably going to be tweaked. Because, with Media Tour potencies, using High Fire/Blizzard II is unefficient damage vise. It deals more damage to go like Transpose - Freeze - High Thunder II/ Foul - Transpose - Flare x2 - Flare Star - Transpose. I would use like, High Blizzard II once to start the rotation, and the just forget about both High spells, unless they buff them.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Stop falling for the bait!!!

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I was losing half of mind in those conversations. Thankfully no more

I actually can't believe they murdered BLM like this. I also can't believe people who don't play the job (and barely play the game!) are happy to celebrate as if they are gaining anything from such a unique and interesting class being gutted. A vibrant community had formed around black mage exploration and optimization, and we were excited and ready with all sorts of ideas and tools to approach the new version of the job. Now there's nothing. Nothing at all, everyone is leaving.

Anyone who does not understand what the flexibility and interesting parts of the job were that are now completely gone, this is a good place to start reading about it: https://www.thebalanceffxiv.com/jobs...dvanced-guide/

It is very clear by looking at the people in both sides of the argument, which side has the players that love and play the game. And it is sad.

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I also can't believe people who don't play the job (and barely play the game!) are happy to celebrate as if they are gaining anything from such a unique and interesting class being gutted.

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Haha this is how things work around here. Its happened at various times to the healers and tanks, for me it was when they gutted the phys ranged in one sweep for Stormblood, and then of course the infamous summoner rework in Endwalker.

In fact I distinctly remember some of you from back then. What goes around comes around eh? My condolences and welcome to the club.

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Originally Posted by itu_

I actually can't believe they murdered BLM like this. I also can't believe people who don't play the job (and barely play the game!) are happy to celebrate as if they are gaining anything from such a unique and interesting class being gutted. A vibrant community had formed around black mage exploration and optimization, and we were excited and ready with all sorts of ideas and tools to approach the new version of the job. Now there's nothing. Nothing at all, everyone is leaving.

Anyone who does not understand what the flexibility and interesting parts of the job were that are now completely gone, this is a good place to start reading about it: https://www.thebalanceffxiv.com/jobs...dvanced-guide/

It is very clear by looking at the people in both sides of the argument, which side has the players that love and play the game. And it is sad.

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Have you ever heard the saying? "Misery loves company"

people who are unhappy like to share their trouble with others

Well I poured one out for those that actually play BLM. I did some roulettes. But my smooth brain can only seem to play it as well as a RDM/SMN in terms of output (or 105-110% if I dont have to think about mechanics). I have failed (for someone who only plays it like once every 4-6 months for the lulz that isn't too bad I guess).

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Originally Posted by itu_

It is very clear by looking at the people in both sides of the argument, which side has the players that love and play the game. And it is sad.

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What's sad is you find the most uninteresting part of the job to be interesting and then try to gatekeep who actually loves the game. "No real black mage is against nonstandard" no real Scotsman type stuff.

Black mage has always and will always be about using a ton of fire spells in a row and then having a short ice phase to recover mp. It is not meant to be complicated. I feel bad for you because you spent so much time learning what is literally an insanely contrived and complex way of engaging with the job, and now it means nothing. It's a lot of wasted time but at least you got to enjoy it while it lasted? It should have been clear that it wasn't going to last since you read the nonstandard guide.

The craziest part is you are so entitled that you think everyone should accept being suboptimal just because they don't find it interesting to devote the same amount of motivation and commitment as it would take to learn something extremely meaningful to learn something like non-standard. It's a game, not a career, not an artform, it's a video game.

This whole "nobody has to learn non-standard to clear content, you can parse 99% with standard in certain fights" is such a bad argument. All it does is illustrate how few people play nonstandard proficiently too. A minority of minorities. Black mage players are already a small fraction of the community, then maybe 1% of black mage players actually played the way you view as the "only interesting part of the job". Of course the parses will reflect that, doesn't mean that anyone who cares about optimization is unaware. They look at that guide and say something like "this job is too complicated for me. I would never be able to play it right." And when you think about it, non-standard play is the only "correct" way of playing black mage through the lens of optimization. Maybe I am a bad player currently, but it doesn't change the fact that I strive to be optimal because that's what I enjoy. Even positionals on dragoon, I say I don't like them and wouldn't use them ever, but now that I am getting better at the fight I am engaging with I have started using them. Do I like positionals? No. Would I celebrate their removal? Yes. Are they on every single melee dps job? Yes.

Learn to adapt, it's a good life skill and now you're being forced to learn it.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

Have you ever heard the saying? "Misery loves company"

people who are unhappy like to share their trouble with others

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Who are you talking about here? The people who are miserable about change?

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Originally Posted by Keichi

What i wonder:

The current potency says, that high fire2 is going down to 100.
How much is than normal fire 2 for lower lvl?
Fire 2 at lvl 75 is allready 100 potentie. When its evolved form has the same number, would it mean, that fire 2 would only be 60 or 80. What looks very weak for a aoe "rotation".

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Welcome to Black Mage, the only class in the game that is constantly and consistently nerfed in older content because the devs have such limited room to grow it without making it overpowered or breaking its timer-based structure, that things have to be nerfed for other things to be added without being overpowered. Don't believe me? ARR (Flare single target rotation.) Heavensward (Ley Lines, including future expansions. Good arguments the fire 4 changes have been buffs,) Stormblood (foul,) Shadowbringers (Xenoglossy, for a time.) Now we have endwalker and losing paradox in ice, as well as the changes to thundercloud hurting pre-60 especially. It's honestly impressive that this class used to be one of the best DPS in every expansion, and has slowly become the worst in all older expansions. I think its only real holdout still is heavensward, where the fire 4 changes were kind of huge for it, namely going from 4/cycle to 6/cycle, doing more overall damage, at a slightly faster GCD.

It's kind of impressive how this is the only class that really has this problem. At a certain point the devs will give it the leveling rework it desperately needs.