Mentors...please!

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Originally Posted by RajNish

I'm not bad with large pulls now, cause practice, practice and practice. Not fine with all, but usually I can handle most of them. I know how tank and healing mechanics work. Your advice is useful, and special thanks for it. No jokes and irony. But not everyone listens "pull small please". I’ll only say that I wrote reports about all these people, but I don’t know what result it had. Well, you understand, I hope.

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I know, that's why i said if they don't listen, you have every right to kick, you know your own limits and if you told them that and they ignore it, get a new tank/healer who ever didn't respect your limits. And yes I do understand, trust me I do. You can only hope the report goes through, even when you don't know what penalty (if any) the player got.

@Alaeacus, I would like to quote the advice that sounded here.
1. If you disagree with the moderation policy, you can always file a report or discuss it in a forum. The report is quite enough to solve the conflict.
2. Maybe it 's your fault?

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Originally Posted by Neoom

I know, that's why i said if they don't listen, you have every right to kick, you know your own limits and if you told them that and they ignore it, get a new tank/healer who ever didn't respect your limits. And yes I do understand, trust me I do. You can only hope the report goes through, even when you don't know what penalty (if any) the player got.

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I'm glad we understood each other, really. Not so long ago, I told another tank that he took too much and asked him not to do this anymore, because I did not have the opportunity to keep him alive, especially without his CD's. He said, "I don't care, others did it". I just left the group and waited for my penalty.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

I just left the group and waited for my penalty.

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Still, the fact that the fine goes to a player who doesn't break the rules is something very strange from a moral point of view.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

I'm glad we understood each other, really. Not so long ago, I told another tank that he took too much and asked him not to do this anymore, because I did not have the opportunity to keep him alive, especially without his CD's. He said, "I don't care, others did it". I just left the group and waited for my penalty.

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In this case the penalty feels bad, and I have been in same spot, it sucks it really does. But if others refuse to kick them there isn't really much to do after that :c But knowing changing the kick system would break things since it already can be abused by group of friends who decide they don't like you.. But doesn't mean it's prefect either, far from it..

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Originally Posted by SoranRigel

Still, the fact that the fine goes to a player who doesn't break the rules is something very strange from a moral point of view.

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Yep. Probably due to passivity, some players are used to being rude, while others are used to enduring. It is not necessary to love the whole world, it is enough to be polite and effective.

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Originally Posted by Neoom

In this case the penalty feels bad, and I have been in same spot, it sucks it really does. But if others refuse to kick them there isn't really much to do after that :c But knowing changing the kick system would break things since it already can be abused by group of friends who decide they don't like you.. But doesn't mean it's prefect either, far from it..

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Any system can be abused, to be honest. You will not find the perfect system, only a compromise. Actually, I proposed a compromise. Do not remove the crown icon, but replace it with a watering can. Make it possible to send a quick harassment report by right-clicking. Make blacklist really work. It would be nice to make a separate reputation for mentors, but I don’t know how SE can do it technically, which I just as honestly said here.

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Originally Posted by SoranRigel

I have to repeat: if these tools existed and were functional, this discussion would not have arisen.

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They're entirely functional. I've had nothing but pleasant experiences interacting with the GMs of this game every time I've reported abusive/discriminatory behavior.

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Originally Posted by SoranRigel

I would be very grateful if you would not resort to the victim blaming.
Because of this vicious practice, I have repeatedly found myself in a situation where my groupmates refused to kick a mentor who was rude to them. Perhaps they also thought "it's our fault".

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And I'd be grateful if you wouldn't mock genuine victims of abuse and assault by misappropriating the term 'victim blaming'.

That you'd rather falsely victimize yourself instead of taking a moment to self crit proves my point entirely. You'd rather point fingers over one bad experience than admit a possible personal fault.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

All this, of course, sounds good, but no. When a mentor says that mechanics was failed because half of the raid alliance are French, is it my fault? Not. When a mentor, insults novices calling them idiots. Is it my fault? Not. And finally, when do the GMs themselves propose me to discuss the problem on the forum after one of my reports, it’s convenient for you to turn a blind eye to this and repeat the same thing about reporting. Reports will not change the system. Therefore, I will discuss it on the forum.

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No, what's convenient is perpetually plugging your ears and refusing to listen to any viewpoint that doesn't confirm yours. Yes, you are welcome to discuss what you want, but that doesn't mean other people have to agree with you. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence.

There are no flaws with the system(s); only self-made problems by two people patting each other on the back.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

There are no flaws with the system(s)

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As was mentioned before, whole "get some comms to become a mentor" is kinda flawed. Not having a properly working black list is kind of a flaw itself too.
So, I'll agree to disagree.

@rachcouture, so far, your words sound like "do not dare to speak here about what is unpleasant to me and does not apply to my experience."
As already mentioned here, any system has flaws, and it takes a lot of willpower to change this. Do not try to imagine the situation as if it were my personal, unique negative experience. Not. It doesn’t work like that. Denial, gagging, distortion, and ignoring do not work.
We will talk here about what is important to us.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

I don't see why anyone should go sweaty mode covering all that damage group's recieving in normal content if it wasn't agreed before that, mentor or not.

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Big pulls are the standard in dungeons bc most ppl can handle them fairly well. If you are for whatever reason uncomfortable speak up and tell your teammates so they know and can adjust. :)