crafting is gone

I actually like the new crafting system was able to easily HQ the 460 gathering body for myself and the 460 crafting body for a friend, 10/10 would craft again

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

As someone who has only been crafting for a couple of months, the streamlining is welcome. Crafting shouldn't be some complex activity. I don't understand why people want to make it so hard? You afraid other crafters will now come in and threatened your stockpiles of gil. Some of you have so much gil you'd never use it all but can't stand the thought of more crafters moving up through the ranks and taking a piece of the pie.

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Gil is easy enough to come by even without leveling crafters. I think it's less about gil and more about what sets this game apart.
Most other MMOs have a very simple crafting system: you get the materials, push a button, wait for a few seconds and done. Professions are usually limited to 2-3 per character and easy to boost from 1 to max in very little time.
In FFXIV each crafting class is a class of its own with a basic skill set aswell as some unique skills, they have special gear and you can even level all of them on one character, you have difficult recipes you need to craft in HQ to buy books for special recipes and overall, crafting is useful. Even the older recipes are.
I think many people are simply afraid of losing this unique system to oversimplification for the sake of accessibility.
While it might pull in some people who have been averse to crafting because they prefer a simplified system like most other MMOs have it will also push away those who enjoyed crafting exactly for NOT being such system. And the crafting enthusiasts are not just some 1% or less of the playerbase, it's actually a rather large crowd. Most people I see via DF have their crafters leveled to various degrees and I know of many people who play FFXIV solely for it's crafting system.
It's the fear of this just being the first step.

Simplification for the sake of accessibility isn't always a good choice.
Just take a look at the healer forum, we lost many healers to such simplification.
You may reel in one group but lose another in the process.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

As someone who has only been crafting for a couple of months, the streamlining is welcome. Crafting shouldn't be some complex activity. I don't understand why people want to make it so hard?

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in this game, DoH/DoL are full professions, not just some button pressing like in other games. It's supposed to be challenging and fun to do. Same as with DoM/DoW, if classes become too streamlined and boring people complain, or if dungeons suddenly become a two buttons pressing thing with no mechanics. Why should it be different for crafting?

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Because when it's easy enough that everybody is just casually doing it, there is no point to doing it anymore. When everybody is a crafter, nobody is a crafter. While we're at it, let's nerf all combat content that is somehow perceived as hard! Even when it isn't actually hard.

No thanks. Square Enix made it overtly clear that they're trying to kill crafting in this game, so I'll just find something else to do in the game. Something other than crafting.

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My goodness and the Academy Award goes to...

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Gil is easy enough to come by even without leveling crafters. I think it's less about gil and more about what sets this game apart.
Most other MMOs have a very simple crafting system: you get the materials, push a button, wait for a few seconds and done. Professions are usually limited to 2-3 per character and easy to boost from 1 to max in very little time.
In FFXIV each crafting class is a class of its own with a basic skill set aswell as some unique skills, they have special gear and you can even level all of them on one character, you have difficult recipes you need to craft in HQ to buy books for special recipes and overall, crafting is useful. Even the older recipes are.
I think many people are simply afraid of losing this unique system to oversimplification for the sake of accessibility.
While it might pull in some people who have been averse to crafting because they prefer a simplified system like most other MMOs have it will also push away those who enjoyed crafting exactly for NOT being such system. And the crafting enthusiasts are not just some 1% or less of the playerbase, it's actually a rather large crowd. Most people I see via DF have their crafters leveled to various degrees and I know of many people who play FFXIV solely for it's crafting system.
It's the fear of this just being the first step.

Simplification for the sake of accessibility isn't always a good choice.
Just take a look at the healer forum, we lost many healers to such simplification.
You may reel in one group but lose another in the process.

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I don't see it as easy to come by unless I am missing some gil-making scheme.

As someone who's trying to get into crafting but all the Macro's and cross-classing stuff
detered me, I have a question.

Do I still need to level every craft to efficiently make good items?
Like is there still cross-class skills I need to get now?

i wasnt play for now so dont know how much it was nerfed , but if its so simple now o/ well you know , crafting is something youre coming to play this game again and imagine that feeling when you will make some item from latest master book in hq ! i think it can be called as a echo for crafting , but this echo will be from the start so its boring :/

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Originally Posted by Jybril

As someone who's trying to get into crafting but all the Macro's and cross-classing stuff
detered me, I have a question.

Do I still need to level every craft to efficiently make good items?
Like is there still cross-class skills I need to get now?

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No cross skills no but almost all the high end gear requires mats from other crafters like ALC and GSM

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I don't see it as easy to come by unless I am missing some gil-making scheme.

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- trade in clusters for material and sell it
- trade GC seals for stuff like Cordial, crafting mats and housing items and sell it
- watch the market and buy materials when they're cheap, sell them when the prices rise
- watch other server's markets, buy items cheap, sell them with profit
- buy NPC items (materials from ARR beast tribes are good choices, but lots of stuff works) and sell them with profit.
Yes, people buy lots of stuff you can easily get through NPCs because they don't want to port all over Eorzea and look for the right merchants
- send retainers on missions and sell what they bring. They can bring some really neat stuff through Quick Exploration. Store housing items for the next ward release if possible because prices usually multiply
- buy tomestone mats and sell them
- treasure maps, even old ones work quite well
- unspoiled nodes are worth a look, even old ones. With a decent "schedule" you can get a lot out of one hour of touring
- and if it's the first class, you can even sell MSQ gear rewards. Best to check beforehand which sets are generally worth most

You can easily make several million gil per week (sometimes even per day) without crafting a single item or spending excessive amounts of time on the market board.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

My goodness and the Academy Award goes to...

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...you!

It goes to you, for your truly insightful post.

Truly.