SE, the concept of "Limited Jobs" is a really bad idea, turn back now

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Initial BLU trainer gets you a job stone, you do your BLU leveling, unlock a lot of skills, unlock Carnivale, etc. and at level 50 a Mamool Ja who came over from the New World approaches you like "this charlatan doesn't know the full power of BLU, let me teach you" and you unlock a more traditional FFXIV job that levels up to cap and works in all content.

Could even have the two trainers play off each other, as SE raise the solo BLU cap the original guy comes back "this other guy is too set in his ways, my new path is the actual path to true BLU power."

Sort of like the original Arcanist split, but down 'unbalanced solo/properly balanced party' lines.

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Oh that's actually the best idea I've read on these endless threads of blue hate. I'd love that actually, it essentially just takes the good from each scenario. That still leaves the "endgame" a bit blurry but I would definitely enjoy leveling up in a "non-traditional" way up until the point where the job turns into a more FFXIV viable one with the 5.0 launch for instance. although this seems unlikely, it would be a nice way to "prepare" new jobs ahead of the expansion when you want to do the MSQ as fast as possible.

@Powercow, the thing is none of us know how it will play out. People hear "Limited Job" and freak out while at the same time everyone (yes myself included) are all clueless atm.
The Sky is falling for some of you it seems. The entire game will not fail because of one job being "limited" to not raid and such.
Voicing ones opinion is fine but cannot act like what is said holds true until idk we either get more information or when the job is out and players try it out and SE get player feedback.

Like i said previously for the time being it is clear it will be restricted to certain content, by 6 or 7.0 SE may cave in due to player pressure and make it available for all content

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Given that BLU is capped at 50, and Stormblood jobs start at 50, it makes an easy jumping off point.

Initial BLU trainer gets you a job stone, you do your BLU leveling, unlock a lot of skills, unlock Carnivale, etc. and at level 50 a Mamool Ja who came over from the New World approaches you like "this charlatan doesn't know the full power of BLU, let me teach you" and you unlock a more traditional FFXIV job that levels up to cap and works in all content.

Could even have the two trainers play off each other, as SE raise the solo BLU cap the original guy comes back "this other guy is too set in his ways, my new path is the actual path to true BLU power."

Sort of like the original Arcanist split, but down 'unbalanced solo/properly balanced party' lines.

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I actually really like that idea, although it would be almost like adding two separate jobs. But, hey, maybe they could build something off each other, like you could obtain gear or something else through the solo blue mage's Carnival that could also be used by the DF blue mage.

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Originally Posted by Powercow

So we should wait until Puppetmaster and Dancer are relegated to solo-only content before telling SE that they shouldn't do that. Gotcha. Thanks.

Your logic is hilariously backwards. It's precisely BECAUSE it takes SE an absurdly long time to do things that we should voice our concerns about BASE, CONCEPTUAL LIMITATIONS THAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT. Have you noticed most people aren't complaining about the Carnival's load screens taking too long, or that level 15-17 is kind of awkward to level because there's no good AoE skills, or that the dodo's conal sleep fart is glitchy? It's because none of that is playable at the moment. People are concerned with the idea of a job being relegated to years-old content only, not the nitty-gritty details of how the job does or does not function.

It'd be like if SE announced that Shadowbringers was going to remove all group content and be remade as a Battle Royale game with paid lootboxes and a 30-minute-max playtime before the game logs you off for the week. We don't need to play that to know it's a stupid idea.

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Playerbase is quite fickle and will kneejerk react in the most stupid ways to minor things, specially if there isn't enough information.

There was at least 2 points (if not more) where people on forums acted like the world was ending and embarassed us all:

Diadem ilvl 285 weapons (which were so rare that they didn't ruin anything, unlike what people said)

Introduction of 2 DPS classes in SB would ruin DF forever (increased queues for a bit but not the ridiculous levels people were saying it would)

Will add more examples, if I remember more

So, pardon me if at this point I'm quite skeptical about players reaction to anything that hasn't been introduced to the game yet.

I'd just like to bring this thread back. BLU is turning out to be exactly the sort of the trainwreck I feared. The leveling experience is the worst I've experienced since MCH. Not only is the gameplay extremely bland with spamming only 1-2 abilities the entire time, because the class lacks any sort of distinguishable mechanics, but you're also locked out of like half of your abilities since they have to be learned in unsoloable lvl50 instances. What part of this is designed for solo play? If grouping or carrying is necessary, why wasn't there a BLU-only queue if that was the intended playstyle, no dungeons balanced for soloing? Why do I have to rely on other people to carry me to progress the job if it's designed for solo?

BLU wasn't balanced for group play, but wasn't designed for solo play either. It's a disaster that combines the worst aspects of both on top of boring gameplay.

Now, to be fair, I haven't tried Masked Carnival yet because of the atrocious leveling experience so I'll hold my judgement on that. But if it turns out to be the only enjoyable part of the class, why couldn't we just got fun solo content for BLU (or all classes) and actually design a proper job instead of this nightmare?

Limited jobs are not the way to go. Please, never again.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

you're also locked out of like half of your abilities since they have to be learned in unsoloable lvl50 instances.

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This is definitely a problem.

Putting about half of the BLU spells in instances you can't queue for and can't run with your squadron was a rather odd design choice.

Aegis Corona, slowly but surely playing the game since the original release here. I just feel the need to add to OP's post that I do not agree, I love having something to chill with outside the regular stuff sometimes. Something that is not Lords of Verminion and screenshot galore. Dear SE, please continue to try new things, like so many have been clamouring for, I like the idea and look forward to how it can be further better balanced. Side content is always nice IMO.

TL;DR: I disagree.

/Signing out.

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Originally Posted by Leowilde

Aegis Corona, slowly but surely playing the game since the original release here. I just feel the need to add to OP's post that I do not agree, I love having something to chill with outside the regular stuff sometimes. Something that is not Lords of Verminion and screenshot galore. Dear SE, please continue to try new things, like so many have been clamouring for, I like the idea and look forward to how it can be further better balanced. Side content is always nice IMO.

TL;DR: I disagree.

/Signing out.

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It's day 2.

I bet nearly everyone gushing over how fun it is now will basically never touch it again a week or so from now.

It is far too limited in its current form.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

It's day 2.

I bet nearly everyone gushing over how fun it is now will basically never touch it again a week or so from now.

It is far too limited in its current form.

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Some people said the exact same thing about FSH when it turned out to not be a 'proper' gathering job like BTN and MIN. Yet here we are, years later, and it's still going strong and updated on a patch by patch basis. There's a very passionate following for FSH and all the signs are pointing at BLU being similarly well received.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

This is definitely a problem.

Putting about half of the BLU spells in instances you can't queue for and can't run with your squadron was a rather odd design choice.

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There's nothing odd about it, besides them trying to sell it as a solo job, when it's clearly not.