Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I agree with that person. Will I be wearing this on a male character? No, definitely not. But I won't be bothered in the slightest if I see someone dressed as such. I even have a friend who was like "I'm totally gonna wear that". They play a male Au Ra or Roe depending on their mood.

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Im on balmung and trying to use "muh immersion" is still a crap argument for censoring outfits. Theres always gonna be people with tastes I like and tastes I don't. I've long learned to accept the colorful characters on my server lol

Personally, I’m gonna glam it on classes Im still learning/leveling. I figure if Im going to die a lot at least I’ll be laughing.

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Originally Posted by DreadRabbit

Except clothing/makeup/etc. is form of expression: no, most people want to be seen the way that they design themselves to be seen. I don't personally understand what's bothersome about that. If I were to buy an expensive dress offline then I want people to see me in the dress, not look at me and magically see just a plain t-shirt and jeans. If that aspect of being social wasn't so important, people wouldn't fuss so much over how they look both in and out of the game.

So yes: there would be money lost. How much? Well none of us know.

And frankly, if someone running around in a pig suit is ruining your day, then I agree with the poster Rokke mentioned: you need to turn off your game and take a break.

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Ruining my day? I'm not that petty. It's an eyesore to me personally at worst for the 10-50 minutes it takes to do a dungeon. I'd never let someone elses choices affect me that badly but I'd greatly enjoy filtering out having to see others choices of certain glamours. I'm just saying that in my own world, on the hardware I pay for, with the access I pay for and using the software I've chosen to install, more customization of what I personally see that affects nobody else is a really weird, bordering on oppressive thing to deny me. I've played many games that allow you to customize how you see other players in your own game. Sometimes for performance, sometimes for my own particular reasons of immersion and theme. Do you know how much money was lost when they put in the yokai watch stuff from people just leaving because it was so goofy and everywhere? probably a similarly unknown amount compared to how many people would quit because they cannot force people to see them.

It's not going to be everyones' preference , sure. But I'll step up and say I'd want that in game. Click a box, everyone gets relegated to the default glamour for certain level ranges. Nobody would know except the player, heck even have it defaulted as off so you'd have to specifically look for it.

I get people dress up in real life but it's usually for themselves or the people around them. However most places I'm forced to be around people for a prolonged amount of time have uniforms or at least dress codes: work, school, even restaurants. Dress how you like by all means but I'm not forced to stick around you if I find what you look like to be displeasing for whatever reason. In real life I dress how I want and I don't give a rats patootie what people think of me, perhaps this is why it's foreign to me how people will be put off simply by people not having to look at them.

The "turn off glamours" thing could run both ways. I would never equip the harness/subligar sets they throw at us for DPS leveling gear in ARR. Then they unlocked glamour for lower level players, so... finally! I can make use of that good-stats aetherial gear because I can glamour it into being something I'm not embarrassed to wear. If they introduced an option for people to turn off glamours and see what I've actually got equipped, I'd be back to not being able to use it.

More generally, if you just equip whatever leveling equipment the last few dungeons handed you, you might look pretty awful in a 'zero costume co-ordination' way.

For every 'joke glamour' you encounter, I'm sure there are a lot more people using glamour to make their characters look better than they would otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

For every 'joke glamour' you encounter, I'm sure there are a lot more people using glamour to make their characters look better than they would otherwise.

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But you would never know unless someone specifically said something. Also, most games that use a "remove customization" option have a generic glamour for whatever class or job you are to make you easily identifiable. You'd just be another pair of arms and legs in a robe possibly. I may be the weird one here, but does it honestly bug you that much that someone you will never meet, and likely will never see again even in game doesn't see you wearing your shiny things?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

does it honestly bug you that much that someone you will never meet, and likely will never see again even in game doesn't see you wearing your shiny things?

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Not necessarily my specific glamour (though I do like to put the effort into making my character look nice, in a lore-appropriate way) but my personal taste in clothing is *not* the short skirts that are this game's default style for a lot of female costume designs. My character is representing me in the game, so I don't like the idea of my character being auto-equipped in it by someone else when I deliberately chose to avoid wearing it.

The thought of it is uncomfortable in the same way that I would be if, in the real world, I had to wear something I don't want to wear, and be seen by other people - maybe they don't know me and they'll never see me again, but I still know that people saw me dressed like that.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

The lesson from this is probably something like "don't talk to the community because they're fickle, confused, and will hate it if you give them what they ask for."

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I think the devs are smart enough to realize that a venn diagram of people exists where the circles for those who asked for this set to be not gender locked include intersecting circles for those who wanted this set specifically and those who wanted a chippendale set. And also that both of those circles are not going to line up with the venn diagram of those who are happy with the new set, those who aren't, and those who would also want a chippendale set and those who don't. Communities are complex, not confused.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Not necessarily my specific glamour (though I do like to put the effort into making my character look nice, in a lore-appropriate way) but my personal taste in clothing is *not* the short skirts that are this game's default style for a lot of female costume designs. My character is representing me in the game, so I don't like the idea of my character being auto-equipped in it by someone else when I deliberately chose to avoid wearing it.
The thought of it is uncomfortable in the same way that I would be if, in the real world, I had to wear something I don't want to wear, and be seen by other people - maybe they don't know me and they'll never see me again, but I still know that people saw me dressed like that.

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I concede that people in your personal situation would have a problem, and perhaps that's why we don't have this option to begin with. In fact if the thread on the japanese forums represents a true cross section of users.. yeah.. that's probably why not. People just hate having no control over how others see them. I do wonder how they feel about all the people out there modding their own clients and files to make everyone else actually naked or skimpily dressed.. or otherwise weirdly represented.

I'd still cast my vote for allowing customization of my own experience though.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Ruining my day? I'm not that petty.

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I never said you were. You used the pig suit as an example, and so did I. I said "you" in a general sense, not you, Krotoan, specifically. I apologize for coming off that way.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

It's an eyesore to me personally at worst for the 10-50 minutes it takes to do a dungeon. I'd never let someone elses choices affect me that badly but I'd greatly enjoy filtering out having to see others choices of certain glamours. I'm just saying that in my own world, on the hardware I pay for, with the access I pay for and using the software I've chosen to install, more customization of what I personally see that affects nobody else is a really weird, bordering on oppressive thing to deny me.

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Now see, to an extent I do agree with this. You would think that for an "escape from reality" it would be totally okay to request this sort of thing. A no brainer, even.

But here's the thing: if you (and again, I mean generally, not you specifically. And I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just wanting to make myself clear) were to walk out on the street and straight up tell people that what they're wearing is trash/not worth looking at/etc. and that they should change clothes to your preferences, then most people would agree that you're being a jerk.

Not to mention the option doesn't even solve the "problem" OP is talking about. Even if we had a toggle for glamour, people would just equip the glamour gear normally then to bypass it. Will the OP from the Japanese thread then ask the devs to delete the gear pieces they don't personally believe are immersive then, since the toggle doesn't work?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I've played many games that allow you to customize how you see other players in your own game. Sometimes for performance, sometimes for my own particular reasons of immersion and theme. Do you know how much money was lost when they put in the yokai watch stuff from people just leaving because it was so goofy and everywhere?

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No I don't, but I also know that FFXIV is performing better and growing, so apparently whatever losses from that event are moot now, if they were ever truly that massive to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

It's not going to be everyones' preference , sure. But I'll step up and say I'd want that in game. Click a box, everyone gets relegated to the default glamour for certain level ranges. Nobody would know except the player, heck even have it defaulted as off so you'd have to specifically look for it.

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So what's the OP in the Japanese thread (and others with their mindset) going to do when they come across default armor in the game that would fit that description, but doesn't fit their personal tastes of what's immersive and what isn't? There's quite a few pieces that are revealing, androgynous, and not indicative of the climate/situation that are level and item level appropriate for those dungeons. Are they going to yell at people playing certain jobs for daring to enter their dungeon party in appropriate gear just because it doesn't suit their tastes still (you came in a level appropriate subligar? KICK!)?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I get people dress up in real life but it's usually for themselves or the people around them. However most places I'm forced to be around people for a prolonged amount of time have uniforms or at least dress codes: work, school, even restaurants. Dress how you like by all means but I'm not forced to stick around you if I find what you look like to be displeasing for whatever reason. In real life I dress how I want and I don't give a rats patootie what people think of me, perhaps this is why it's foreign to me how people will be put off simply by people not having to look at them.

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For bold point number one: (dress codes)

Square Enix themselves have already defined a dress code:

- We have NPCs wearing leopard printed subligars that are important to the MSQ
- We have cat girls/girls in general in very skimpy bikini armor and bikinis in general for various professions (not just they "pleasurable company kind" )
- Both men and women can wear tights of any kind, even thigh highs
- The fashion report in the Gold Saucer is basically an in-game lore thing that shows stuff outrageously...put together is considered in fashion. I don't agree with it, most people don't, but it's there.
- We have main characters dressing pretty outlandishly too (Minfillia, the Weaver's Guild, Hildibrand, etc.)

So frankly, it is lore appropriate that adventurers can wear whatever the heck they want/can come up with. Which is why "my immersion" is such a weak argument. For performance? Sure, if people want the option to turn off gear like in FFXI to help with performance on their machines that's a totally different thing that should be allowed. But that's not what that JP thread is arguing for.

For point number two ("I have the right to ignore you"):

You can already do this now.

If someone hopping into a dungeon in an outfit that infuriates you is enough to ruin your dungeon run, then you are in your right to leave the dungeon. If someone runs by you in the game world in an outfit you despise or find offensive, guess what? No one's forcing you to turn your camera and watch them run into the horizon. If someone is deliberately following you and making you uncomfortable knowing what they're wearing is making you uncomfortable, you can report them for harassment. You can then move on with what you're doing. And as I've said already, people will just equip the glamour by itself so only dungeon runs are "safe."

That's why, to me personally, the immersion argument makes no sense whatsoever. Performance? Totally get that: then let everyone else be naked or wear a default potato sack. But just because they don't suit your tastes? You should probably not play in a multiplayer game where you're going to be forced into content with people of very different backgrounds, and frankly, tastes.

guys dont get cute stuff like bunny ears as accessories in video games too often, so this is kinda exciting to me. things like this serve a very small minority that is very rarely (if ever) catered to in mainstream games. please just let us have this one small treat without making a big fuss

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Im on balmung and trying to use "muh immersion" is still a crap argument for censoring outfits.

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Yeah... I've pretty much given up on "immersion" ever since they let the Adamantoise fly (and then letting everything else fly).