Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

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Originally Posted by kyuven

You're operating under the assumption that the MSQs will continue to no longer give EXP after about cape westwind.
If you're leveling normally, then those quests SHOULD take you to about lvl 52 or so, maybe even 55 (there are only 2-3 MSQ dungeons and Trials have always given crap for exp). Those of us that did all the quests ahead of time have our "edge" in the fact that our gear greatly outpaces what will be seen in early HW areas, whereas a new player will have more levels under their belt to compensate for their inherent lack of super balanced stats.

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Not a strange assumption. Level 50 quests dont currently give any experience.

That said, I dont think I mentioned that there was some kind of problem with new players having to do the MSQ during leveling? Why exactly are you responding to my post with this argument?

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

ANSWER: Just under two weeks.

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That is not an average by any means, for the average player that is.

Note: since people seem to enjoy reading things that arent writen, Ill make an additional disclaimer that I dont be any means consider 2 weeks impossible. It is just simply faster then an average rate mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Felis

You have to see it how it will be in 3.0, not how it is in 2.0. In 3.0 you will not have completed ''leveling up'' while reaching the lv50 msq.

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Your quote doesnt quite clarify what you mean by that.

Okay, we talked waaay too much of all the expansion stuff the evil devs /sarcasm locked away from new players. Apparently complete newbies who begin from scratch during early access or after release will not see anything related to Heavensward untill they finish the 2.55 main scenario quests. But is that so? What will it be like for new players?
- Well, for starters they will be able to roll an Au Ra. This might not sound like a big deal, but if current players want their mains to be Au Ra they either buy a fantasia or purchase the collectors edition for a free one. Completely new players do not have to deal with these costs. They can roll a fresh Au Ra with the regular version and play.
- If said new players are PC players they will also benefit from the updated DX 11 graphics.
- As soon as the new players join a Free Company with a house they will be able to, at the very least, enter the workshop and depending on what materials will be needed, maybe even meaningfully contribute.
- As soon as they reach 50, which happens before the 2.0 questline ends, they begin to earn experience points that are lost for current players. All those quests, trials, dungeons and raids only give us items and gil, but for them it also means a lot of xp. Sure, the xp requirements increase considerably with each level but still, new players will be well on their way to 60 when the gates of judgement are opened to them. Even if the new job quests will send players to HW areas the new players will get class abilties, traits and attribute points as they level up by doing what is level capped for us.

Sure it will be a torture for those who dont care about the story, the gold saucer, the currently available combat classes or combat in general, but in some ways newbies will have an edge over us, it would seem.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Not a strange assumption. Level 50 quests dont currently give any experience.

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Because level 50 is the current cap. With your assumption, when HW hits, no one will be able to gain experience through questing because level 50+ quests wouldn't award experience.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Not a strange assumption. Level 50 quests dont currently give any experience.

That said, I dont think I mentioned that there was some kind of problem with new players having to do the MSQ during leveling? Why exactly are you responding to my post with this argument?

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they will give exp in HW :) currently yes 0 exp but it will change also all quests will give double the current exp and they are putting gear in the quests.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

they will give exp in HW :) currently yes 0 exp but it will change also all quests will give double the current exp and they are putting gear in the quests.

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I see, thanks for the source and info. Well that settles it then, I can no longer respond to the arguments used against me.
That just leaves the question why such arguments were used in the first place, seeing how as mentioned several times now, I agree with the content being locked behind the story.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I feel sorry for new players who have to go through the entire main quest just to get into the expansion.

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i have to wonder why people keep using new players as a point of reference for the expansion. as they are new players, the entire game is new to them.
the only thing people could say is "i want to play x job, but cant because its in the expansion area".

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

Just saying, but how long does it take to go 1-50 for a brand new player anyways?

I ask that having an answer already from watching and helping a group of players in my FC who just came over from WoW.


ANSWER: Just under two weeks.
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There have been significant buffs to exp and the ability to access multiple avenues of exp for new players these days. In 3.0 I still expect leveling to be much slower. 2 weeks to grind to sixty might be possible for some, others will take 4 weeks depending on play style I'm sure. It's part of the reason we don't get raids until 3.1, as SE is anticipating it to take a bit of time to complete 50-60.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

This has long been discussed and was addressed for 3.0, to enable ease of access to instances.

Partial parties will be optional in ARR content (pre 50), and possibly even chocobo companions can fill vacancies.

Also- first-timers to dungeons will be in priority DF queues.

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No first timer bonus for him if I queue with him.

Partial parties is great.. if you have people that'll go with you. I will not ask people to do that for him. He's *my* responsibility.

Started 3 weeks ago, plays about 2 maybe 3 hours a day. Those dps queue times...

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

No first timer bonus for him if I queue with him.

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This is confirmed, where exactly?

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Originally Posted by Kauthryn

So long as high level characters receive rewards, they will queue.

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Only if they want/need those rewards and there aren't easier and better ways to obtain them. Sure, I could queue up for roulette... or I could just go farm Final Coil for the same amount of time and receive a much greater reward for doing so (tomestones and possible gear drops). Given those options, I'm going to choose farming instead. So will a lot of others.

Gating content for alts is a great way to guarantee that people will continue to run dungeons even after they've already cleared them and gotten everything they want/need from them on their main.