Fan Census: This is embarrassing

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

I'm thinking this is because groups want people that have already cleared it. I haven't even tried turn 5 due to the fact that I missed the boat when it was still new. Yeah, I am legacy. Yes, I tanked Darnus in 1.0. No, I don't want to hear some 13 year old tell me how much I suck at life and should go kill myself. Have fun in there kiddos.

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T5 is still very much a thing - I do an average of 3-5 clears for people a week. The only thing stopping you from clearing it is you and your completely misguided opinion because I can tell you from personal experience that no one cares if someone is just clearing T5 for the first time. Usually you'll get the majority of the party telling the person "Congrats!" when they get the clear.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

T5 is still very much a thing - I do an average of 3-5 clears for people a week. The only thing stopping you from clearing it is you and your completely misguided opinion.

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But here's the rub, at this point I don't want to. That is only thing stopping me from clearing Turn 5. Besides, how many of those clears for people are bought and paid for runs? Sure people get help from really cool strangers, but how does that measure up to the selling coil run t5 -t13 shouts or the only come if you have previous clear guys?

As for being misguided... /bow It's what I do. Glad you enjoyed it.

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

But here's the rub, at this point I don't want to. That is only thing stopping me from clearing Turn 5. Besides, how many of those clears for people are bought and paid for runs? Sure people get help from really cool strangers, but how does that measure up to the selling coil run t5 -t13 shouts?
As for being misguided... /bow It's what I do. Glad you enjoyed it.

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None are bought. All of my help is free; if I see a T5 clear party in PF, I'll join it. They usually fill in under 10 minutes.

Anyone who actually pays for a T5 clear is wasting their gil. There are a lot of people willing to help for free, either for the bonus sol or just plain because they want to.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

None are bought. All of my help is free; if I see a T5 clear party in PF, I'll join it. They usually fill in under 10 minutes.

Anyone who actually pays for a T5 clear is wasting their gil. There are a lot of people willing to help for free, either for the bonus sol or just plain because they want to.

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Well hell, You sound like the nicest person I've have ever met. If only there were more people like you in this game. Not sarcasm either.
But I challenge you to take a look at the pf system. Really take a good look at it. Tell me that half of those parties are looking for soldiery bonuses or doing the content because they are feeling generous. i assure you they aren't.

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

Well hell, You sound like the nicest person I've have ever met. If only there were more people like you in this game. Not sarcasm either.
But I challenge to to take a look at the pf system. Really take a good look at it. Tell me that half of those parties are looking for soldiery bonuses or doing the content because they are feeling generous. i assure you they aren't.

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I think it probably depends on the server. I know that when my FC hasn't had enough people online to help one of us get a clear for something, we've never had trouble PFing people to fill in the extra slots, even on older stuff like Garuda and Levi EX.

I see learning/progression/clear parties for most content on a fairly regular basis, and they tend to fill up. Even if people leave after a few wipes, they're usually either polite about it or they just leave quietly. It's been a while since I've seen a genuine raqequit in anything.

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

But I challenge to to take a look at the pf system. Really take a good look at it. Tell me that half of those parties are looking for soldiery bonuses or doing the content because they are feeling generous. i assure you they aren't.

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I've said this before: If you go and make learning parties in PF you'll find people like that as well as people who want to actually work towards a clear instead of a carry. Don't get me wrong you'll also find a ton of people expecting either a carry or just plain rude as well. That's the unfortunate nature of the internet. You'll always find rage quitters and rude people. Hell a few nights ago I was in T10 in DF out of sheer boredom. Had a tank that kept making excuses and screwing up then blaming all the dps for every wipe. We ignored him, carried on and eventually got few people their first clears.

You make learning parties in PF up until you have last phase experience and then you start making parties going for the clear. I've seen people do that several times for T5 and T9 and my server appears to be one of the lowest on clear rates.

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

Well hell, You sound like the nicest person I've have ever met. If only there were more people like you in this game. Not sarcasm either.
But I challenge to to take a look at the pf system. Really take a good look at it. Tell me that half of those parties are looking for soldiery bonuses or doing the content because they are feeling generous. i assure you they aren't.

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There is something to be said about the power of friendship. And proper pf descriptions.

I'm pretty sure pf doesn't easier as content gets dated, but if you are tired of waiting, try organizing with your fc or Ls. At best, you succeed and everyone reaps the rewards and cheer, in addition you know of people that you can work with. At worst, you learn more of the encounter to take with you on future pf/df attempts.

I won't compare my situation with yours, but remember, people of all kinds use the pf. Be the change you want to see. You might get surprised at the results.

Barring that, find and work with familiar people, that way you can control the crapshoot of skill and patience as much as possible.

Anyone try lodestone's event thing? That sounds good on paper.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

I think it probably depends on the server. I know that when my FC hasn't had enough people online to help one of us get a clear for something, we've never had trouble PFing people to fill in the extra slots, even on older stuff like Garuda and Levi EX.

I see learning/progression/clear parties for most content on a fairly regular basis, and they tend to fill up. Even if people leave after a few wipes, they're usually either polite about it or they just leave quietly. It's been a while since I've seen a genuine raqequit in anything.

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Never change servers. Like for real. Don't do it. From what it sounds like, the entire Gilgamesh server grew up watching Sesame Street and Mr. Rodger's neighborhood and took that stuff to heart. Once again, not sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

There is something to be said about the power of friendship. And proper pf descriptions

I won't compare my situation with yours, but remember, people of all kinds use the pf. Be the change you want to see. You might get surprised at the results.

Barring that, find and work with familiar people, that way you can control the crapshoot of skill and patience as much as possible.

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Once again. I don't want to clear t5. The first two years of Arr made me not want to touch endgame at all. This is what this particular topic is about. The majority of players don't want to do endgame because we had really bad experiences with it from people who supposedly share our interests. Good riddance with the coil design. Alexander seems much more interesting because of the normal/hard mode feature. Coil was supposed to be closure for 1.0 and we ended up with whatever that mess is.

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

Once again. I don't want to clear t5. The first two years of Arr made me not want to touch endgame at all. This is what this particular topic is about. The majority of players don't want to do endgame because we had really bad experiences with it from people who supposedly share our interests. Good riddance with the coil design. Alexander seems much more interesting because of the normal/hard mode feature. Coil was supposed to be closure for 1.0 and we ended up with whatever that mess is.

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Oh I'm not arguing for coil's design, I'll be glad if Alexander works out. I'm just suggesting what seems to be working for me at the moment, because I intend to get my answers even if it occurs after heavensward's release.