What cause players to quit Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn

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Originally Posted by Callback

Mostly because I was going for "zero or minimal progression." /snip.

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But again you are not making MMORPGs. Warframe is basically an FPS with Parkour, if you mean Tales of Symphonia that is a SP RPG and Vindictus is an Action MMO, that has a lot of limitations from the RPG angle Again, I get the issues. You think vertical progression is not the best model and you want something that is more action/console oriented. Thing is, again, you are talking about different genres of video game.

You are, in essence asking FFXIV to be a different kind of game. Video games are like cars. I like my Subaru WRX, my wife her loaded Hyundai Sonata SE. Each of them is a car BUT each if them is different in very important ways. Trying to say "you could make the Sonata handle like the WRX is missing the point that the Sonata is supposed to be a comfortable sedan, not a Rally car.

Basically you want the play style of an FPS/action game. That is what is fun for you. I find FFXIV to be fun. That is why there are different games and different genres. MMORPGs have always been niche. They exist and survive because they are different from the games you note. The character customization, vertical progression, the style of the game play itself, all there for the people who DON'T want to play a fast twitch oriented game. But even here, unlike other MMORPGs they have added some fast twitch elements with the combos and other mechanics. It may mean its not fun for you, but it is for a great many of us.

I know this thread is old but here's my opinion on this game as of now.

Things i like
~Probably one of the best stories on the market atm for mmorpgs in my opinion.

~Awesome graphics and optimization. I've played other mmos that look way worse than this one get sub 20 fps, but this game I can hold 60 fps mostly everywhere.

~Mount music are boss themes.

~The music is just awesome, but this is also a bad thing. The music is too good for a lot of the fights in this game that are just mostly face roll. Can't get hyped up if there's no challenge.

~AST limit break... Come on he summons a freakin galaxy, how awesome is that? xD

~Game is flashy

Things I don't like

~Game is flashy but it's not our characters that are flashy (aside from our limit breaks)

~Bosses in this game are a dance. Once you learn the dance it's a completely face roll battle even Alex savage starts feeling this way after a while.

~Healers mostly have no support skills and mainly just healing spells (seriously no aoe cleanse at least? really? really????). Also why do bards and mch get support skills and not us? Archer refilling mp, stamina (tp) lol that's a healer's job bruh.

~Tanks are too squishy and MUST be healed CONSTANTLY (not really a tank eh?)

~Dps classes deal way too little dmg, seriously I can outdmg some people on my healers in this game lol. And before you cry bad, if you ever played any other mmorpgs you'd know that healers (tanks too sometimes) deal so little dmg that a mob that a dps one shots will usually take a healer 15 mins to kill

~Dungeons take too long because mobs have too much hp or dps are way too weak going back to my previous comment. Some dungeons can be over 30 mins long sometimes (Stone Vigil), and with random people not from your server that you don't care about and 4 people per party it's kind of boring.

~Can't whisper, view guild, friendlist or linkshells while in dungeon.

~Way too much teleporting, the game world is worthless at lvl cap. Yes I hate the duty finder >.>

~Mounts are too slow, I like flying really low to the ground to see the game world at a much faster speed

~Weekly lockouts on content that's hardly rewarding at all.. Really SE? You're locking me out of a 1 boss 5-10 min raid for a week (A WEEK....MONTHLY SUB) and it drops 2 random gear that possibly no one needs and in some cases weaker than gear you get from I-fell-asleep-at-my-keyboard-void ark? Get outta here lol.

~Materia sucks. I'm not sure on how it works because I never bothered because you can't put it on raid gear, but I heard you can't meld your main stat or something like that. So if I'm a healer I can't use mind materia? Why not? What other class is going to use mind materia?

There's probably more but I'm tired of typing =P. These are a few reasons on why I can't play this game very long like I do other mmos (hell I'm still playing the p2w grindfest known as Maplestory, been playing that for over 7 years)

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Originally Posted by Galibier

if you mean Tales of Symphonia

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Tree of Savior. Sorry I didn't make that one clear. Closed beta has ended and we're now just waiting.

RagnarokOnline was the grandmaster of boring grindfests that relied everything on RNG.

I don't believe that Tree of Savior will be any better.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

RagnarokOnline was the grandmaster of boring grindfests that relied everything on RNG.

I don't believe that Tree of Savior will be any better.

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Seeing their Cash Shop is charging $40 for one hairstyle. Yeah...

There are alot of things I started to dislike about this game, hence why I unsubbed and will see when or if I ever come back.The lack of fight/combat patches is too low, I love FF games but this game just start to make it less off a FF game. I don't mind what they did in 3.1, but I think alot of people in this thread or in general probably agrees on me when I say they spent way too much time and resource on the minion fight that became a huge flop.

Thordan was one of the well designed, if not the best designed fight since HW came out. They ruined alex savage by using normal mode. I don't mind it but different bosses and mechanics would be alot better and more fun I believe. But that's the catch. Not only does relic have a short lifespan but so does savage or upgraded gear. Once you completed savage you got it done, which means the gear you have gotten so far will never be used at all until a next patch with new raids will come out, which will obviously give better gear, in terms of stats and Ilvl obviously.

I don't think it's about satisfying 1 part over another, I'm talking about what some one mentioned earlier, game designers can't always satisfy both ''casuals'' or ''hardcores'' But that's the thing, the did good when coil came out, alex story mode was somewhat an okay idea. The problem here is alex normal should never happened, I think another raid with same level of diffculty would been better on top fo savage. Don't get me wrong when I say a3+4 savage was way harder, when you compare to 1-2. The gap and specially the reward was just too low, yes too low. You get the gear from one of the hardest dps checks and somewhat mechanics (more dps check than mechanics) and once you obtain it, it's no longer that used, just to kill savage boss fights faster or in case like most groups did, cleard it all and stopped playing. Lifespan on gear and content in this game is way too low. You spend more time (slow phased) on relic than having an actuall use of it, and if you do somewhat midcore or hardcore grind it, it's still not worth it, as in the content is old and most have done it so why would it excactly help, unless you still do savage, which most people don't do that often anymore and then you have the group who doesn't and then what is relic gonna be good for?

I've often told my friends, fc or linkshells that the game state is dead somehow, the only players who currently play are:
1: Players like me, until sub is over, just to say hello, do random stuff and that's it
2: Players who still wanna do content but can't get it done with, no group or friends, fc etc to do it with OR the fact most people did it when came out and just died the second everyone got the item
3; New players, and some have a massive shit time to get stuff done, hell even que up. I don't mind helping new players, hell I even offer them gear, gil, food etc if I even see one who's new and happens to be on my server, but it's not gonna get fixed just because I do it.


Content NEEDS a bigger lifespan and there also needs to be more raids with different gear stats and obviously need to make them unique somewhat, like you have with the grand company set's where you use some certain gear you get bonus stats. I dunno, some ideas has been brought up on reddit and here and they are all good. Making it linear like they always been is not gonna make raids any better if they are all gonna be just upgrade stats or different, just like how DRG relic got pissed on. (det and ss, because Gordian has crit and det, while eso has skillspeed and crit).
We need gears to be unique and different in each raid. There are so many people I know who think's excactly the same as me and then you have those who doesn't, which I respect. But I know alot of people will end up unsubbing once 3.2 comes out if it's gonna be another 3.1.

I'm just going to paste a recent blog entry I made. Gives some insight from a new player perspective. TL;DR: The game can be overwhelming to a new player and it can be hard to do the things you REALLY want to do because there are things you DON'T want to do that need to be done.

"I'm returning from a break, but I still consider myself a new player. I'm a little frustrated though and feeling overwhelmed.

I'd like to be a White Mage. So I got to lvl 30 in Conjurer and am now level 10 in Arcane. I figure, yay just 5 more levels and I'm a White Mage! After doing some reading, I realize, Nope. I still need to level Arcane and Thaurmaturge for cross class skills.

So I basically played naked from 1-10 on Arcane (in my race gear) because I'm too cheap to buy gear. I'm level 26 in weaver,but I was feeling lazy and didn't want to craft. At 10, I finally crafted a couple of items. Problem is, I don't really want to que in DF as DPS, so I guess I'm going to have to craft all my own gear for the Arcaneist and Thaurmaturge. I don't WANT to play those classes, but that's what I have to do

I'm not in the mood to level my Weaver or Botony, but I probably should.

So I figure, hey, I'm getting burned out. I'm going to try fishing. That should be easy. I look up a guide and realize -- nope. That involves having good gear as well and melding, which leads me to my next issue.

I have all this gear in my armoury which is partially soulbound. I know there are strategies to soulbind, but they sound kind of complicated for a lvl 30 conjurer (making a set, doing specific runs, etc). So they are just sitting there.. until I figure out what to do with them.

Don't even get me started on the fact that even though I'd love a house, I can't have one.

Man, this sounds like a really whiny post. All I want to do is heal. And maybe fish. And decorate my home. This game makes those things pretty darn complicated. It probably doesn't help that I haven't found a FC yet. My server's forum isn't very active so I'm left shifting through months old posts and hoping they are still recruiting.

Oh, and I haven't been allowed to post on the forums for weeks. I keep getting some warning that says I haven't been validated in 14 days so I can't log in on the forums.

/sigh

Despite all of that, I do like this game. I think at this point, it just seems a bit overwhelming because I'm not familiar with everything. I'm sure it will get easier as I progress."

Takes time Nalyna to level and get cross skills and the like. Leveling shouldn't be a chore but fun hopefully, I know personally I enjoy it. Relative to gathering and crafting those all take time but you can make gil as you level to get things you'd like. Being in a free company can help with people who can help make you things you need or run some duties you have or just answer questions.

White Mage is a great choice, I love it very much personally.

Once you're leveled in Grand Company and level 50 you can get a room in the FC estate you can decorate and call your own. It does cost 300k so try not to waste gil as you level buying lots of stuff. New housing is coming but the specifics and costs of the apartment style housing isn't really known at this time.

Focus on story, keep it leveled with your character level as it unlocks lots of things you need for the game. Good luck.

Thank you, LaylaTsarra =)