The Solo disease?

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Originally Posted by options

Its not just about interaction. Its a persistent gameworld, its to kill shit, its craft, gather, dungeons, grinding, farming and much more. When you finish a SP game it ends, thats it or untill there is an addon or a sequal. An MMO you can keep going. Its a genre and all kinds of ppl play it. And the same person might play it in a different style depending on their mood. I may want to just grind 1 mob one day just to get a specific item off of it, then another day i might wanna group up and do dung runs. Other days i may just stand in the one spot and chat away to friends for hours.

Sure there are other games i can do one or the other and sometimes multiple. But in MMOs i have em all. If an MMO doesn't have want i want to do at the time i am sure there is a SP or MP game that does. My game collection is quite a site ranging across many platforms so i am sure i have plenty to do.

But as i like to play SP games, they usually get clocked in a matter of days, where an mmo can keep me going for a long time.

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These days developers are attempting to bring "SP's" to do exactly all that. However i completely understand where your coming from, that is a majority of reason why i like MMO's myself.

(and now the joke since I ran outa room)
FIGHT! FOR HIS RIGHT! TO SO~LO!. (if ppl get the job 10 hugs for you)

I ran into rude solo'ers who only play the game by themselves, they do not talk in LS's, and only ask for help. But when asked TO help. They say no I play solo. Same thing happens when trying to forn groups. It can be offensive to bluntly refuse a party invite by bluntly saying "no i play solo and do not party." (a better reply would be sorry I'm busy) I did also run into many rude solo'ers who did infact HATE how group centric ffxi was and did infact wanted change. (which they got and those who liked group started to leave, at least that was what ppl claim).

All i tried saying is you choose which mmo/mmo style to play. And should reseach what type of content is in the game. Instead of joining an mmo then expect a few things. Like a soloer wanting soloable content that was more for groups. under the guise of "choice". If content can be either solo or grouped ppl will solo it over grouping it.

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Originally Posted by Bled

These days developers are attempting to bring "SP's" to do exactly all that. However i completely understand where your coming from, that is a majority of reason why i like MMO's myself.

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Sacred games come to mind there. It tries but its still a SP or Co-op game.

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and now the joke since I ran outa room)
FIGHT! FOR HIS RIGHT! TO SO~LO!. (if ppl get the job 10 hugs for you)

I ran into rude solo'ers who only play the game by themselves, they do not talk in LS's, and only ask for help. But when asked TO help. They say no I play solo. Same thing happens when trying to forn groups. It can be offensive to bluntly refuse a party invite by bluntly saying "no i play solo and do not party." (a better reply would be sorry I'm busy) I did also run into many rude solo'ers who did infact HATE how group centric ffxi was and did infact wanted change. (which they got and those who liked group started to leave, at least that was what ppl claim).

All i tried saying is you choose which mmo/mmo style to play. And should reseach what type of content is in the game. Instead of joining an mmo then expect a few things. Like a soloer wanting soloable content that was more for groups. under the guise of "choice". If content can be either solo or grouped ppl will solo it over grouping it.

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It is rude when soloers say that and i have seen it myself. I've seen many ppl in guilds who say nothing in guilds. I find it weird, but each their own. I don't dislike em for it tho. BUT, those ppl are not all soloers.

May i ask you a question tho? Do you ask before you invite? Cause i find it rude (going way back in the early days of mmos, ppl use to ask before inviting) when i get a random invite without any social interaction first. I myself usually ignore someones invite request without talking to me first. I don't decline i just let is stay there so they can't spam the request over and over

[QUOTE=options;156012]Its not just about interaction. Its a persistent gameworld, its to kill shit, its craft, gather, dungeons, grinding, farming and much more. When you finish a SP game it ends, thats it or untill there is an addon or a sequal. An MMO you can keep going. Its a genre and all kinds of ppl play it. And the same person might play it in a different style depending on their mood. I may want to just grind 1 mob one day just to get a specific item off of it, then another day i might wanna group up and do dung runs. Other days i may just stand in the one spot and chat away to friends for hours.
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I'm the same way 60% of the time on ffxi i was running around aimlessly chatting to me LS (while waiting for an invite ) 10% was hanging with my then b/f the other 30% was soloing (forced but sometimes wanted) idm different play styles or more options just not a solo'er joining and demanding the choice to solo group content. (not saying this was op stance or every solo but some did act this way)

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Originally Posted by options

Sacred games come to mind there. It tries but its still a SP or Co-op game.



It is rude when soloers say that and i have seen it myself. I've seen many ppl in guilds who say nothing in guilds. I find it weird, but each their own. I don't dislike em for it tho. BUT, those ppl are not all soloers.

May i ask you a question tho? Do you ask before you invite? Cause i find it rude (going way back in the early days of mmos, ppl use to ask before inviting) when i get a random invite without any social interaction first.

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heck ya I ask before inviting. It is only proper. And i know I wasn't done typing my though and keep running up my text limit :P
I do not hate ppl, even if I claim "i hate rude ppl" that is just my opion and I do not go up to them and say that to their face. I try to be nice and do not hold grudges. (unlike ppl here in some cases...) I do not block people for a fight or disagreement. Only time I do is if they verbally harrasse me or talk to me in a sexual tone.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

heck ya I ask before inviting. It is only proper. And i know I wasn't done typing my though and keep running up my text limit :P
I do not hate ppl, even if I claim "i hate rude ppl" that is just my opion and I do not go up to them and say that to their face. I try to be nice and do not hold grudges. (unlike ppl here in some cases...) I do not block people for a fight or disagreement. Only time I do is if they verbally harrasse me or talk to me in a sexual tone.

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Whats wrong with harrassment or sexual tones? I love it when ppl do it to me. Maybe its the sadist in me but i love thinking up witty comebacks. Keeps me entertained when i have those arguments.

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Originally Posted by options

Whats wrong with harrassment or sexual tones? I love it when ppl do it to me. Maybe its the sadist in me but i love thinking up witty comebacks. Keeps me entertained when i have those arguments.

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When your stalked in an mmo, it kinda get ewwwwww. Four 3+ mnths I had a guy using multi account/ character to constent tell me about kicking a guy in the nuts. Everytime I block him another name comes up. And would start sending me tells almost the second I got on.

Pretty much this happen to be daily. ::log on ffxi:: name>> would you kick a guy in the nuts me: no. name>> would you do it for money? me: no.
name:Are you a boy rli? Me: no, i'm a girl now please leave me along.
pretty much repeat that over untill he threaten to call a gm on me for not coming forward and admiting that I was infact a guy. (i'm a woman) aka this dude was psycho.

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Originally Posted by Bled

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ANYWAY back on topic.

I think we settled a few things though.
1 no one truely hates solo'ers.
2 those who do, do infact have a valid reason.
3 it is best to see both sides of the same coin when it comes to the solo stigma.
4 that there are different types of mmo, solo, group and social. And to buy an mmo that fits you style.
5 understand when joining a group mmo, there will be content for both, but will be more infavor or grouping.
6 content can't be both solo and group. or at least it is hard to pull off. If something is solo able ppl will solo it as there is no need to group And tell ppl there is no reason group to just solo it.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

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ANYWAY back on topic.

I think we settled a few things though.
1 no one truely hates solo'ers.
2 those who do, do infact have a valid reason.
3 it is best to see both sides of the same coin when it comes to the solo stigma.
4 that there are different types of mmo, solo, group and social. And to buy an mmo that fits you style.
5 understand when joining a group mmo, there will be content for both, but will be more infavor or grouping.
6 content can't be both solo and group. or at least it is hard to pull off. If something is solo able ppl will solo it as there is no need to group And tell ppl there is no reason group to just solo it.

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I dunno about point 6. tho. As its been years since i played FFxi and spent the last 5 yrs playing wow i am not sure how se setup their dungs. But going from WoW dungs you could cut back mobs totals and weaken bosses for solo or smaller groups. I say this but in no way they should get the same reward. I would like it so those ppl or myself when i'm bored, be able to see the content. But since it has been dumbed down the rewards should be far less then what the harder group based content get.

Levequests do it by their star system, why not dungs. But the harder it is the more rewarding it should be.

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Originally Posted by options

I dunno about point 6. tho. As its been years since i played FFxi and spent the last 5 yrs playing wow i am not sure how se setup their dungs. But going from WoW dungs you could cut back mobs totals and weaken bosses for solo or smaller groups. I say this but in no way they should get the same reward. I would like it so those ppl or myself when i'm bored, be able to see the content. But since it has been dumbed down the rewards should be far less then what the harder group based content get.

Levequests do it by their star system, why not dungs. But the harder it is the more rewarding it should be.

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ffxi dungeons were not set up like WoW ffxi was a group centric game while WoW is a solo centric game. I more said that for the same reward just couldn't fit it. Which is what OP wants. I wanted to do quests in WoW with other ppl. And got laqughed at saying they can be solo very easily and a group isn't needed. And lol'd at me for even looking.