Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

Quick q, Are the BiS lists on the op still relevant or has anything changed? Especially now that we have the Ramuh slaying ring which I like a lot more than the HA one. Any definitive bis for drg I should aim for?

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

Quick q, Are the BiS lists on the op still relevant or has anything changed? Especially now that we have the Ramuh slaying ring which I like a lot more than the HA one. Any definitive bis for drg I should aim for?

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All BiS always revolved around the accuracy cap of the raid encounter, whatever u gear switch, make sure u got at least 495 acc to max 515 acc for t9

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

Quick q, Are the BiS lists on the op still relevant or has anything changed? Especially now that we have the Ramuh slaying ring which I like a lot more than the HA one. Any definitive bis for drg I should aim for?

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There's some who swear by Det, some who swear by Gear Score, as you would notice if you've been stalking this thread. Both sides seem to be putting out impressive numbers so I guess... personal preference?

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Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer

Honestly Syg this is what you should have said from the beginning... You found a more potent "burst" rotation. The problem is, if you're using it as an "opening" rotation your probably sacrificing buffed dots and more overall dps, for a short initial opening burst. In certain situations, I could see that "burst" being effective, like during a T9 golem or dragon phase.

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

364.1 and thats not a wrong number =)

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He claims a net gain in potency of 364.1 and I'm still struggling to find out how your opener that changes something within the 6 seconds of HT is gaining you more than an extra combo'd full thrust.

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Originally Posted by rickyguo

He claims a net gain in potency of 364.1 and I'm still struggling to find out how your opener that changes something within the 6 seconds of HT is gaining you more than an extra combo'd full thrust.

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Its not. If you read my posts i explained why its not.

Still need some insight on this:

When calculating buffed potency, say Heavy Thrust, "Increases damage dealt by 15%"

Is it (potency) * 1.15

Or (potency) / .85

The reason I ask is I'm in sales. When I mark something up (profit margin), we divide by the reciprocal. This is increasing the value of the product by (profit margin), not taking a percentage of the value and adding to it.

Examples:

300 potency * 1.15 = 345
(this just takes 15% of the base 300 value and adds to it)

300 potency / .85 = 352.94
(this actually increases value by 15%)

I'm leaning toward the latter, but I'm not sure which is the proper way to calculate. Any thoughts? There is a drastic difference at higher percentages.

Take B4B, HT, Dis (conservative 8% increase)
25+15+8 = 48%

330 potency * 1.48 = 488.4

330 potency / .52 = 634.61

im wondering how you guys macro if at all, i put my power surge in with some combos so it goes off asa available

/ac life surge
/ac full thrust
/wait .5
/ac full thrust

im tank so not great at dps but this gets me some good crits or
/ac power surge
/ac dragonfire dive
/wait .5
/ac dragonfire dive

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Originally Posted by Killabye

im tank so not great at dps but this gets me some good crits or
/ac power surge
/ac dragonfire dive
/wait .5
/ac dragonfire dive

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Powersurge doesn't stack with DFD :( It only works with Jump or SSD.

Whiskeybravo, the way to calculate the additional dmg is to multiple by the potency by the percentage buff. Example:

300 x 15% = 45 thus 300 + 45 = 345 potency
Or
300 x 85% = 255, subtract that from 300 (300-255=45)

When you divide 300 by .85 you're finding the number that 300 is 85% of... Or 352.94 x .85 = 300. This is NOT the correct way to find percentage buffs

As well the percentages are multiplicative, meaning with HT your 100 potency skill is hitting for 115. After disembowel (10% buff) the new potency is 126.5 (115 x 10%) instead of 125. This also applies to B4B. Best to go back and read the first page Avyar breaks it all down. I'm doing a terrible explanation.

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Originally Posted by Killabye

im wondering how you guys macro if at all, i put my power surge in with some combos so it goes off asa available

/ac life surge
/ac full thrust
/wait .5
/ac full thrust

im tank so not great at dps but this gets me some good crits or
/ac power surge
/ac dragonfire dive
/wait .5
/ac dragonfire dive

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several pages before.. save LS for BFB, instead of using it whenever it's up. Makes binding LS to FT moot.

For PS depends if you wanna save it for Jump only, and as mentioned above doesn't apply to DFD.

For me I hate binding moves to macros unless i'm a bard. The responsiveness and shaving of GCD from skill speed gets thrown out of the window cause of the .5 tick of macro recognition. And generally you don't want to miss anything in your rotation cause the macro failed to recognise the next move.