SUMMONER, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE OR ADD? (EVOLUTION & STAT ALLOCATION)

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

god i hope the dev not listing to all this bad idea -.- i like the fact that SMN is a dot job keep that fix the dam pet and give us a way to get more mp like blm. Problem fix the end

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Summoner's are spike damage not DoT.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Summoner's are spike damage not DoT.

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What i mean is i like that fact that there main source of dps is from dot type spells. There only spike damage come from one spell and it useless if you end up wasting it for bane or get mp. Which you end up doing a hell of a lot in turn 10 making your dps more DOT then spike.

I just like the fact that all there spells give a dot on the mob and it's not like BLM where you just do dps. Like the idea that i can bane over my dots only if bane did not use a stacks it would be even more awesome.

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

I don't think it is fine lore wise. It takes huge amounts of aether to summon them, let alone maintain them. Where will we get a steady supply of aether in such quantities for our primal attack rotation? I don't think the Scions or any city state leaders would allow someone to willfully summon a full blown primals 'just for one attack' either (unless I misunderstand you). Do you think the said Primal would allow itself to be dismissed so easily? Or for that matter, attack something at your behest? We do not hold contracts with them, they answer to no one. They are being of fury ready to destroy anyone or thing that interfers with their tempered tribe (Ramuh exception) while seeking to temper more. We belong to another (Hear, Feel, Think). Said primal isn't going to attack anyone at the behest of anothers minion. Also, any adventurers that came with us on a mission would have to be quarantined, and potentially put down out of fear of them being tempered by our summons.

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SE decided that the Summoner was going to summon Egis and wrote the lore afterwards to explain their design. If SE wanted Summoner's to summon Primals all they have to do is give them the ability to summon Primals and write the lore to explain why Summoners can now summon and control Primals. Lady Iceheart instead of using Shiva's Primal Essence to summon an Egi she let the Primal Essence use her body to summon Shiva.

My wishlist:

1. yes, enough with the glowing, one colored Egis. give them real skins please.

2. allow us to write AI for our Egis already (FFXII Gambit style). if they don't want it to be used for botting then make it available in instanced duties only (not available on the openworld fields). in most of the endgame battles we have NO TIME to order our Egis.

3. this is for the looks alone, let us use a staff instead of looking like a bookworm. move the grimoire to "off-hand" slot and use it for summoning only. when we get new glowing weapons, we want to show it off to everyone but the glowing books are not that great.

4. reduce the recast time of Aetherflow. it should be available as soon as we finished using Fester 3 times. as it is right now our dps is dropping big time when we can't use Fester because of Aetherflow is cooling down.

5. add something that can help with our MP issue.

6. a new skill that apply all 3 main dots at once, I don't care if it will have a little long recast time, we just need something like this.

7. separate our gear sets from BLMs'. make gears that fits our job.

8. reinstate the heavy effect to our Miasma and/or Miasma II (in PvP). as it is right now SMN is almost unable to defend themselves due to the lack of movement debuff ability (Bind from Tri-disaster isn't enough).

Part of the problem is when unlocking the Summoner Job it doesn't change the dynamic and mechanic of the class their essentially Arcanist with an Egi Pet instead of Carbuncle. I would have Summoner change the Arcanist into a Pet Class with it's own specialized talent tree.

Just let Spell Speed affect pet's attack speed, and add PIE on SMN gears.

Its probably too late now due to there being poetic gears, but perhaps in the expansion BLM and SMN will have separate gears. It's the easiest and fasted solution I think.

This is what they did for NIN instead of making it share BRD gear. Why cant SMN get Evoking sets, BLM keeps Casting

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Originally Posted by Evangela

My wishlist:
4. reduce the recast time of Aetherflow. it should be available as soon as we finished using Fester 3 times. as it is right now our dps is dropping big time when we can't use Fester because of Aetherflow is cooling down.

5. add something that can help with our MP issue.

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Wouldn't 4 being done affect 5 automatically? I'm no expert on SMN Aetherflow and MP issues (I main SCH), but I would think that getting it back up once Festers are all used (What, every 30 seconds or so?) would give you the same MP boost, but more often, once every half a minute against once every minute.

It'll probably never happen, but would it be interesting if summoning the egis also added a buff to the other spells while out? For example, Ifrit gives bonus damage to Ruin/Ruin2/Fester/Energy Drain (heh), Garuda improves DoT damage, Titan gives you both a mini-stoneskin per cast.

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Originally Posted by Jamez82

These are things we know about beast tribe summons. The way the story is starting to play out though it seems as though there are a lot of things about primals and their summonings no one knows about, like Shiva's unique circumstances, Ramuh not wanting to temper everyone and Moogle not even being a technical "primal" (from my understanding anyways).

It wouldn't be out of line to find out there is a way to summon them that doesn't come with all the craziness we seen beast tribes do like tempering and being uncontrollable.

I could easily see them finding a way to control them and using them as a weapon against the Garlean Empire, Ascians, ect.

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OK, so I've had some time to think about these things, mainly about new candidates that could be summoned in a more... realistic form. Instead of an egi form.

What primals, or dieties, would be willing to fight for the tribes that inhabit Eorzea (Hyur, Miqo'te, Eleven, Lalafell, Roegadyn) if Eorzea was in danger from an outside source? My first thought is The Twelve. Now, I have not played FFXIV before ARR beta, so forgive me if this is a no go as I know not their connection to Hydaelyn. What if members of The Twelve could be summoned individually? If they are related to, or even subservent to Hydaelyn, then could a few of them theoretically be coerced more easily or even willing to fight for us, and the citizens of Eorzea who worship them? Maybe somewhat similar to what Middy is doing atm. I dunno. Just throwing an idea out there. :)