SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

So if such a Crysta market existed in X|V, what sort of limiter would you propose? Seeing that the only two known examples had limiters on them, I am assuming "none" is off the table.

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What's used in TERA works well for my taste. Put a limitation of two months worth of gametime a week, and that's plenty.

Cui bono

I think instead of actually legitimizing this whole thing, we should look at the people defending it.

Oh look, Abriael has been playing since launch and doesn't have a crafting or gathering job to 50. By reading his lodestone blog, I see that he might have an issue with gil. Also by looking at his start date and his current job levels, I now see where hes coming from when he says

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Originally Posted by Abriael

If anything, it levels the playing field further by giving those that don't have as much time to spend into the game a way not to be left behind the curve.

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• axemtitanium - No crafting what-so-ever and no gathering job either.
• Ahmera Mae - Little to no crafting and no Gathering.

Makes me wonder, might you three have some extra pocket change you might want to convert to gil? Hmmm...

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Originally Posted by Hart

Ahmera Mae - Little to no crafting and no Gathering.

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Dude, i started playing exactly one month prior to the last save of XIV. Check dates on pads.
http://xivpads.com/?14935390

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Originally Posted by Hart

Cui bono

I think instead of actually legitimizing this whole thing, we should look at the people defending it.

Oh look, Abriael has been playing since launch and doesn't have a crafting or gathering job to 50. By reading his lodestone blog, I see that he might have an issue with gil. Also by looking at his start date and his current job levels, I now see where hes coming from when he says

• axemtitanium - No crafting what-so-ever and no gathering job either.
• Ahmera Mae - Little to no crafting and no Gathering.

Makes me wonder, might you three have some extra pocket change you might want to convert to gil? Hmmm...

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Nothing is more pathetic than ad hominem attacks when you lack the faculties to intelligently debate the issue :rolleyes:

How's this one, I've been playing since launch (albeit with a 5 months long break awhile back), I've maxed out every DoH/L a LONG time ago, and while I'm hardly amongst the richest players, I do have a bit of pocket change.

Go ahead, stereotype me :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hart

Cui bono

I think instead of actually legitimizing this whole thing, we should look at the people defending it.

Oh look, Abriael has been playing since launch and doesn't have a crafting or gathering job to 50. By reading his lodestone blog, I see that he might have an issue with gil. Also by looking at his start date and his current job levels, I now see where hes coming from when he says

• axemtitanium - No crafting what-so-ever and no gathering job either.
• Ahmera Mae - Little to no crafting and no Gathering.

Makes me wonder, might you three have some extra pocket change you might want to convert to gil? Hmmm...

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So, since you have absolutely no solid argument, now you're resorting to personal attacks and assumptions (not that you didn't before, anyway)?

Unfortunately, they don't give you any ammo. I simply had to leave the game for an extended period of time. Sorry to burst a bubble.

Besides, no one should feel forced to gather or craft in order to prosper in a MMORPG. It ain't a job.
Try harder :D

Hardly a personal attack, just pointing out what is readily available information. I don't need ammo anymore, you just said exactly what I wanted to hear.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Besides, no one should feel forced to gather or craft in order to prosper in a MMORPG. It ain't a job.

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You can't take the good without the bad. I'm sorry you feel forced to make money, don't worry, you're not alone, everyone has to work for what they have. I don't care if you flipped burgers for an extra hour this week. Your money outside of XIV doesn't equate to money in game. Maybe if you focused on one game, you might not feel the need to buy gil. Or in an even better scenario (imo) you could go play EVE or Tera full time and abandon XIV all together.

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Originally Posted by Hart

Hardly a personal attack, just pointing out what is readily available information. I don't need ammo anymore, you just said exactly what I wanted to hear.



You can't take the good without the bad. I'm sorry you feel forced to make money, don't worry, you're not alone, everyone has to work for what they have. I don't care if you flipped burgers for an extra hour this week. Your money outside of XIV doesn't equate to money in game. Maybe if you focused on one game, you might not feel the need to buy gil. Or in an even better scenario (imo) you could go play EVE or Tera full time and abandon XIV all together.

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You're just getting more pathetic now. His statement is indeed correct, if the only method of financial advancement in an MMO is through crafting or gathering, as your original post was implying, then the game balance is out of whack.

That in no way means they're looking to "buy gil" as you say here, that's just your strawman.

Still waiting for you to give your divine revelation on why I'm not piling on the PLEX system though, go ahead, we can barely contain our excitement at what you're going to say.

I have played since launch have many crafts to 50 a gathering to 50 and all battle classes to 50 and I fully support this system. Don't pick and choose facts to make an argument it does nobody any good

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Originally Posted by Hart

Hardly a personal attack, just pointing out what is readily available information. I don't need ammo anymore, you just said exactly what I wanted to hear.

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It's called libel. And it doesn't work in your favor.

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You can't take the good without the bad. I'm sorry you feel forced to make money, don't worry, you're not alone, everyone has to work for what they have. I don't care if you flipped burgers for an extra hour this week. Your money outside of XIV doesn't equate to money in game. Maybe if you focused on one game, you might not feel the need to buy gil. Or in an even better scenario (imo) you could go play EVE or Tera full time and abandon XIV all together.

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Do go on with your libelous assumptions, as they do nothing else than proving me right. You have absolutely no argument.

I make plenty gil in game to sustain the only two jobs I care about. For all your alleged experience, if you think crafting or gathering are the only two ways to have a good flow of gil, you know nothing about this game.

Those that "focus on one game", normally don't have the slightest idea on how to improve that game and how to help it succeed, because they know nothing of the MMORPG market (as you demonstrated plenty) as a whole.

Your affliction is called "tunnel vision". Luckily enough, I don't suffer from it.

Even if he had an argument, it wouldn't matter:

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's not for you to decide. It's SE's position to decide.

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This isn't a thread for discussion. Replies are only here to bump the thread.

I'm against this idea. I said why and I gave my reasons. Guess that's it.

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Originally Posted by A_Hortensia

1) Money, items, or any other entity which exists outside the game should not influence, effect, or hold value to any aspect, item, or currency that exists within the game.

2) FFXIV should not be free to play for anyone. Even if the money is coming from somewhere/someone else.

By playing and subscribing to the game service, you should be proud with your decision to enjoy this high caliber product, while supporting the hard-working high caliber staff and company. Your own money should speak for you, not somebody else's. Be part of the community and let everyone be equals as customers.

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