Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

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That is literally wrong on so many levels, a really small amount of players care about "why" they fight x boss in most MMO's, they really dont

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Oh? Based on...what exactly? or is this another one of your "I know it all therefore everyone else but me is wrong" posts? How do you know one way or the other?

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, FFXIV is the only exception to that, which is why there are these toxic "story" defenders, because no other MMO's players actually care, and that's also why the boost is almost first on sale every week.

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I beg to differ, based on my own experiences starting back in the 80's.. People do have varied tastes, absolutely agreed, but the drive on narrative has been a common theme over the years in multiple MMO's..as well as other genres. I rely on my own interactions, agreed, but you cannot tell me they didnt happen.

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Do you know why I pay for the game ?

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Given your ongoing contempt foe the game, your trashing varied content in general as well as the interests and views of other players, your disdain for the story component of FF 14, there are times when, yes, I actually do wonder this myself.

You and Aveyond seem to be of the same mind, and I confess I am somewhat curious why you pay for a game you apparently despise.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

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When did skip comes out? Late HW / Early SB? The game had it for like half is lifetime already. Meanwhile WoW is on its 9th expansion and doesnt offer raid skips, ESO is on its i think 6th or 7th Chapter? No story skips here. GW2 released in 2012 and the only boost they added was for leveling, which doesnt skip any stories you can still do your personal stories and ofcourse the expansion stories. Maybe if those games are on their last leg and its in "squeeze any single bit of money left" state theyll add something like that, but there are a million other things they can add before that without outright killing selling points of the games.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

You know whats funny about story defenders like you? Not even Square themselves considers it a selling point, else they wouldnt allow you to skip it with money. You dont see Blizzard selling you "raid skips" because raids are the selling point of the game, you dont see ArenaNet offering story skips for GW2 because they care enough about the story to make it fun and dont want people to skip that. Funny that Square is the only one that sells a way to skip the (claimed by fans) "selling point" of the game. ESO is probably the closest in terms of trying to tell a story to FF14 and you dont see Bethesda/Zenimax selling you a story skip.

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Careful. You're starting to rival Aveyond or TitanMan with the amount of BS you post. lol

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Careful. You're starting to rival Aveyond or TitanMan with the amount of BS you post. lol

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Looks like someone doesnt like actual evidence, or are they wrong ? Please show us where WoW offers raid skips ?

I will wait.

I play FFXIV and WoW, I think I'd know if WoW offered raid skips in the shop.

Stormpeaks, Im curious..and humour me....how much of the story have you actually played? Start to end? Skipped? Im genuinely curious as to how much you have experienced. Back in WOW I had Loremaster, so I am intimately familiar with both WOW and FF 14 story content.

Wow offers raid skips indirectly with wow tokens.

* Player buys tokens
* The player sells tokens for gold
* The player uses gold to buy clears
* The player skipped a raid

This isn't new, if you do play wow as you claim to be, you already know this.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

When did skip comes out? Late HW / Early SB? The game had it for like half is lifetime already. Meanwhile WoW is on its 9th expansion and doesnt offer raid skips, ESO is on its i think 6th or 7th Chapter? No story skips here. GW2 released in 2012 and the only boost they added was for leveling, which doesnt skip any stories you can still do your personal stories and ofcourse the expansion stories. Maybe if those games are on their last leg and its in "squeeze any single bit of money left" state theyll add something like that, but there are a million other things they can add before that without outright killing selling points of the games.

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Yes, that's what I said.
But what's your point? As stated, SE is a business, and businesses like making money. Just cause X Y Z don't have a boost in a cash shop today, doesn't mean they won't introduce one eventually.
People didn't expect SE to add a story and level skip but here we are.

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Stormpeaks, Im curious..and humour me....how much of the story have you actually played? Start to end? Skipped? Im genuinely curious as to how much you have experienced. Back in WOW I had Loremaster, so I am intimately familiar with both WOW and FF 14 story content.

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If I were a betting man, little of it and used a skip. Otherwise, it's very odd to me to have so much anger for it.
But in his own words "I'll wait."

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Now thats a huge stretch.

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How so? Please elaborate.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's not supported by Activision/Blizzard though, so they are not selling it.

FFXIV sells it directly in their store.

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It's also not against TOS to trade services for gold, just like it's not against TOS to buy an Ultimate clear with Gil. So yes, it is indeed supported. There is even a whole boost community in Wow. There was not long ago it was a big controversy about it.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Because Blizzard has no impact on it. If nobody sells raid clear starting tomorrow, then what? The token is still there and still sold by blizzard And if you want to go down the line of player interaction = indirectly selling it in the store then Square sells you GIL indirectly too. Once via level skips (500k gil i think) and even more indirectly via more retainers, which means more quick ventures for potential black/white dyes and more market board slots.

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Correct, and they should remove the token just like the level and story boosts in this game should be removed from our storefront.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Its already pretty much impossible to do some of the side content cause noone does it anymore.

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Can you give some examples?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Wow offers raid skips indirectly with wow tokens.

* Player buys tokens
* The player sells tokens for gold
* The player uses gold to buy clears
* The player skipped a raid

This isn't new, if you do play wow as you claim to be, you already know this.

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Now thats a huge stretch.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Wow offers raid skips indirectly with wow tokens.

* Player buys tokens
* The player sells tokens for gold
* The player uses gold to buy clears
* The player skipped a raid

This isn't new, if you do play wow as you claim to be, you already know this.

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It's not supported by Activision/Blizzard though, so they are not selling it. People buy tokens for multiple reasons, if they decide to use it for raid boosts or m+ boosts, that's their choice. Blizzard doesnt sell it directly.

FFXIV sells it directly in their store.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

How so? Please elaborate.

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Because Blizzard has no impact on it. If nobody sells raid clear starting tomorrow, then what? The token is still there and still sold by blizzard, is it now a raid skip? And if you want to go down the line of player interaction = indirectly selling it in the store then Square sells you GIL indirectly too. Once via level skips (500k gil i think) and even more indirectly via more retainers, which means more quick ventures for potential black/white dyes and more market board slots.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Looks like someone doesnt like actual evidence, or are they wrong ? Please show us where WoW offers raid skips ?

I will wait.

I play FFXIV and WoW, I think I'd know if WoW offered raid skips in the shop.

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No idea what you are on about. lol I was referring to people caring so little about story that skips exist in the first place. If that were the case SE wouldn't go out of their way to make the MSQ solo-able or they would start showing big spoilers in patch notes. Your reasoning makes no sense and is absurd. lol