Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

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Originally Posted by Lauront

They'd be drawing the wrong lesson, then, precisely because there's different groups asking for different things. I think Theodric has articulated what many of us playing guy characters actually wanted. Growing indignant because we're not happy with what was offered, when it wasn't us who was asking for that, is folly. Like you said, it is important if they want to understand why they're losing revenue, should it come to that, or alternatively facing the risk of that. Appearance plays a big role in an MMO, especially since a good deal of it consists of a gear hamster wheel.

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Spending resources to put a requested glamour in the game spawning tons of complaints that they didn't add a different glamour to the game hardly seems worth the effort and mostly just makes the community look ridiculous. Can't be happy that someone else got something they requested that doesn't negatively impact anyone who doesn't want it in any way?

Oy.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

There's a 38 pages thread in the JP forums with people requesting an option to remove others' custom glamour client side

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...363743/?page=1

Not explicitly fueled by the bunny suit but it was posted after the bunny suit was revealed.

So far the opposition is 3 times as big as those asking for it.

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It's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out from this point onwards.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

Spending resources to put a requested glamour in the game spawning tons of complaints that they didn't add a different glamour to the game hardly seems worth the effort and mostly just makes the community look ridiculous. Can't be happy that someone else got something they requested that doesn't negatively impact anyone who doesn't want it in any way?

Oy.

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Perhaps your perception is the issue here.

There is no singular "community" as such, nor a spokesperson for it. Accordingly, players who wanted this (a tiny minority of those playing male toons) are happy, whereas those who want actual glamours made in a masculine fashion would have preferred for SE to introduce that for their toons, instead, and are dissatisfied that 1) that has not been forthcoming (in addition to an overall deficit of such glamours for male toons) and 2) do consider it to be a use of dev resources that could have been put to that use. Pretending that this makes the "community" look ridiculous is just willful misunderstanding of what is being said, and although I can forgive some players for being so myopic, if SE held to such a view, I'd be less understanding. In fact, I'd consider it a fairly petty response and not one befitting a multimillion company with SE's reputation, which should have a solid understanding of consumer segmentation. They are perfectly capable of designing brilliant masculine outfits, as evidenced in FFXV. Perhaps different design teams, but the talent is there, and FFXIV is one of their big moneymakers, with a roughly equal split between male and female toons.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

There is no singular "community" as such, nor a spokesperson for it. Accordingly, players who wanted this (a tiny minority of those playing male toons) are happy, whereas those who want actual glamours made in a masculine fashion would have preferred for SE to introduce that for their toons, instead, and are dissatisfied

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Yes, there is no singular community in a sense that we all have differing opinions, but we are still the FFXIV community despite that.

How people treat SE on these forums reflects on us as a community.

Too many people just don't look objectively at something due to their subjective feelings on it and therefore don't give proper objective respect and appreciation for when SE bends to requests specifically from the FFXIV community (whichever part of that community happens to get their request approved doesn't matter.)

Being diplomatic about it would reflect better on us as a community. Offer thanks and appreciation that SE did a request part of the community asked for, then offer more ideas and critiques and campaign for things you (or a subset of the community) would like to see. If we lack appreciation they may stop bothering answering community requests at all.

The thank you and appreciation that SE is trying to fulfill requests from the community is lacking in my opinion.

As I said in my earlier post:

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Originally Posted by Miste

The criticisms are fine....the issue I have is that no one seems to balance it out by acknowledging what SE did do.

Sure there is a lot of stuff SE does that I don't like, but I can give objective credit where credit is due.

They did this even though they kind of openly admitted they didn't want to, just to try to make a portion of the FFXIV players happy.

This is the first time, as far as I remember, that they have ever changed a female locked glamour set to being able to be worn by males.

I mean these are the first steps, they have been trying to listen, but they may stop listening if people are showing zero appreciation for what they tried to do and calling the company lazy isn't going to help us get more opportunities as a community to ask for what we want in the game.

Sure, you might not have been in the camp that wanted a direct copy of the female version, but acknowledge what I listed above and then add critiques of what you want to see in the future and keep campaigning for more male glamours in general. They will be way more likely to keep putting the effort in if they can see the player base being at least partially appreciative.

When it comes to SE bending to requests from the community only posting negativity and not posting a few of the positives (no matter how small they may be) just won't help us get more things we want in my opinion.

Have to remember it is their game, not ours, they obviously want to keep their subscribers happy of course otherwise they wouldn't make a profit, but honestly the game wasn't going to crash and burn just because they ignored a male bunny suit request, but they still did it anyway right?

I mean older MMOs basically never listened to the players when it came to development (most didn't even have an official forums). Something like a campaign for a certain set of glamour in old games it would have been unheard of for the game company to listen at all. So I really feel some appreciation is needed here even if you have critiques to go with it that is fine.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

There's a 38 pages thread in the JP forums with people requesting an option to remove others' custom glamour client side

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...363743/?page=1

Not explicitly fueled by the bunny suit but it was posted after the bunny suit was revealed.

So far the opposition is 3 times as big as those asking for it.

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It always baffles me just how bothered people are by what other people wear/look like. Not to mention SE makes way too much money selling glamour on Mog Station. There are many, many people who would not continue to buy $12+ skins if suddenly the only person guaranteed to see them was...them. I personally don't see this one happening.

I get their argument (they're talking about their immersion in RP, yes?), but it just seems silly. Even the "canon" outfits in this game aren't always immersive (lady Dragoon armor) but would certainly be something that would probably be bypassed by a glamour turn on/off thing.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

There's a 38 pages thread in the JP forums with people requesting an option to remove others' custom glamour client side

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...363743/?page=1

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FFXI had something similar. Except it just let you see everyone else naked! :o

https://i.imgur.com/aGBoxMF.png

Actually it was performance related for the PS2 version, I think because there was so much gear that it couldn't load properly sometimes. But, it is precedent for SE giving you an option in your settings that changes other players appearances in your game.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

There's a 38 pages thread in the JP forums with people requesting an option to remove others' custom glamour client side

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...363743/?page=1

Not explicitly fueled by the bunny suit but it was posted after the bunny suit was revealed.

So far the opposition is 3 times as big as those asking for it.

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my favorite comment I read roughly translated to “if you are so bothered with other peoples glamour maybe turn off your game”. Bless that poster. An ocean away and we’re on the same wavelength lmao

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Originally Posted by Rokke

my favorite comment I read roughly translated to “if you are so bothered with other peoples glamour maybe turn off your game”. Bless that poster. An ocean away and we’re on the same wavelength lmao

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Yeah, I agree with that person. Will I be wearing this on a male character? No, definitely not. But I won't be bothered in the slightest if I see someone dressed as such. I even have a friend who was like "I'm totally gonna wear that". They play a male Au Ra or Roe depending on their mood.

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Originally Posted by DreadRabbit

It always baffles me just how bothered people are by what other people wear/look like. Not to mention SE makes way too much money selling glamour on Mog Station. There are many, many people who would not continue to buy $12+ skins if suddenly the only person guaranteed to see them was...them. I personally don't see this one happening.
I get their argument (they're talking about their immersion in RP, yes?), but it just seems silly. Even the "canon" outfits in this game aren't always immersive (lady Dragoon armor) but would certainly be something that would probably be bypassed by a glamour turn on/off thing.

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It bothers me that you imply people buy outfits primarily because they know they're going to make others have to see them .

I really don't understand why there'd even been opposition to someone deciding on their own personal computer what they want to see. Yeah, someone wont HAVE to experience your shiny golden pig outfit. I don't think the kind of player who would oppose that on the grounds of "well I can't FORCE people to have me look like that in their dungeon" is the kind of player you'd want to support.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

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Except clothing/makeup/etc. is form of expression: no, most people want to be seen the way that they design themselves to be seen. I don't personally understand what's bothersome about that. If I were to buy an expensive dress offline then I want people to see me in the dress, not look at me and magically see just a plain t-shirt and jeans. If that aspect of being social wasn't so important, people wouldn't fuss so much over how they look both in and out of the game.

So yes: there would be money lost. How much? Well none of us know.

And frankly, if someone running around in a pig suit is ruining your day, then I agree with the poster Rokke mentioned: you need to turn off your game and take a break.