Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

You are indeed correct. My comment was more of an (unfortunate) reaction to the sarcastic nature of post and how it wasn't too conducive to the discussion as a whole. I can understand how someone may misinterpret my comment as indicating how a parser is needed to maximize a rotation given the context of the conversation and that wasn't my intent.

My intent was to indicate the math for determining optimized rotation is a bit more complicated than the poster suggested and required much more thought than adding 100 + 150 = 250, especially when you consider the multitude of different scenarios one could use a DRG when thinking about Chaos Thrust, Disembowel, Heavy Thrust, Blood of the Dragon, and Phlebotomize in their normal string of attacks.

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Might be worth noting (I don't know if you actually go to the DPS forums to find Optimal rotations) that theorycrafters still don't use parsers, even if they are more accurate now. The best rotations is determined strictly by highest potency per second, which is done completely with math, not by trial and error or in practice. Whether or not someone is skilled enough to perform the rotation is another story though. But even then, parsers aren't even part of the process, with the exception of stat weights, for ease of statistical mining.

If you aren't doing your rotation correctly, no amount of parsing will fix that. You have to know what you are doing wrong, which frankly looking at a bland number will not tell you that you should be using contation after tri-disaster on the last second of raging strikes to improve output in the opener. Not only is such information impossible for a parser to determine (DoT aren't actually in the log and the ticks are not on the client) but it's also completely obvious without using a parser. People who do not understand the usage of a parser cannot improve from using it. You shouldn't be using a parser to fix your rotation. You should be using a parser to fix your equipment.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

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You can report someone for dancing in Idyllshire, doesn't mean any action will be taken. I said their performance was poor, and kicked them, if they intend to join a party that stats "High DPS required" and perform poorly, and then get offended when they do get kicked, I don't even know how to respond. Regardless, if they're joining my party while sick or laggy, what do you expect me to do, Give them a free pass because they're sick? No can do. As for giving advice, as much as I'd love to do that, I'm only familiar with Monk and Ninja as I don't like playing more than one class at a time in pretty much every game.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

@ colourfull

Not to nit pic there other ways of dealing with low dps players, such as, asking why their dps is low ^^;; for all you know the persin in question could be laggy. (been there)
Or sick (been there)
You could go "what some advice?"

How does a person learn if they are kicked with out question? Which is btw reportable to wrongful dismissal.

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You can get kick from a non-instance party for any reason. There is no such thing as wrongful dismissal in the context of the post you were replying to (referring to premade parties using the PF).

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

@ colourfull

Not to nit pic there other ways of dealing with low dps players, such as, asking why their dps is low ^^;; for all you know the persin in question could be laggy. (been there)
Or sick (been there)
You could go "what some advice?"

How does a person learn if they are kicked with out question? Which is btw reportable to wrongful dismissal.

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So majority of ppl in DF are sick or lagging? In PF things arent better too... Iam the luckiest person ever then, coz i have fc of healthy and not lagging ppl.... The truth is ppl dont know what and how they are doing not having proper tools, and u even cant tell them that coz u can be banned for harrasing, so we are forced to kick them with only something like "Sry u are bad"

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

And i only said something nasty to 1 person edited it and apologise and it was outa self defense because what they said was uncalled for.

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How ironic that in a thread where you express your views saying a parser brings out horrible behaviour in the playerbase, you yourself are revealed to be one of the spiteful bullies you are rallying against

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Originally Posted by Archaell

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Exactly, this is the double edged sword i was talking about. Anxiety can lead to poor performance sometimes. If a player is more worried about making mistakes they may make even more mistakes. Some people dont work well under pressure. I have essential tremor in the hands, neck, and arms. I shake involuntarily under pressure or anxiety. I dont want to make it sound like a handicap, im more than capable. Knowing im being parsed though just adds more pressure, especially around unfamiliar people in a party or an unexperienced dungeon/raid. I'm simply saying the parser isnt for everyone, but self improvement seems like a very legit reason to have it, as long as its toggleable... Being called out is fine but there are "ways" that (could but likely wont) be handled that dont instil fear...

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

@ colourfull

Not to nit pic there other ways of dealing with low dps players, such as, asking why their dps is low ^^;; for all you know the persin in question could be laggy. (been there)
Or sick (been there)
You could go "what some advice?"

How does a person learn if they are kicked with out question? Which is btw reportable to wrongful dismissal.

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You make the most extreme scenarios and pretend it happens every time without fail. I HAVE extremely casual friends who ignore all my advice. And even they rarely ever get kicked for doing worse dPS than the whm. Does what you describe happen? Yes. Enough that it makes it so new people can't learn? No.

I've seen MUCH more things like "ok WAR it's tutor time" and the whm critique the war. More than silent kicks. I've only seen like 2 silent kick attempts which were both declined in the 6 months that I played. Most people just leave if they can't take it.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Might be worth noting (I don't know if you actually go to the DPS forums to find Optimal rotations)

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I read dPS forum stuff all the time. It's usually "theory" on potency like you said but then people run it through the parse to "test it" its one of the things they did to find out if clipping certain dots was worth it.

Plenty of times people were wrong on theory proven through parse. Fracture being a par of monk rotation back in the day people believed in theory fracture was DPS loss. Turns out no there is a small window of time where it's dPS gain.

I may have missed this in all the chaos and posts mysteriously vanishing ( I feel like I missed something) but is there any reason we're ignoring the elephant in the room, mainly that PC players WILL be parsing ANYWAY. It will never stop. SE's ONLY objection is that they didn't make the software and thusly can't solve technical issues. All this blather about feelings and douchebaggery is ridiculous because the raiding scene will always be full of elitist exclusive jerks. This isn't a FFXIV issue, this is raiders in general. However, the great news is that they are always loud minorities and can be easily ignored.

The OP, a PS4 player, has a very specific issue. They WANT to get better. They WANT the same means PC players use to get better. The fact that it is currently against ToS is not only completely irrelevant, but will not change the fact that it will not go away. What I have not seen address this entire thread, but be asked countless times is why should PS4 players remain unable to see their real time damge output for training purposes?

All I'm seeing is all this junk about bad dps players not wanting to be bullied for being bad DPS players. AND? Tanks and healers get ragged on ALL THE TIME, what makes you so special?

Sorry for the rant. I just felt the need to try to get back on course

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Might be worth noting (I don't know if you actually go to the DPS forums to find Optimal rotations) that theorycrafters still don't use parsers, even if they are more accurate now. The best rotations is determined strictly by highest potency per second, which is done completely with math, not by trial and error or in practice. Whether or not someone is skilled enough to perform the rotation is another story though. But even then, parsers aren't even part of the process, with the exception of stat weights, for ease of statistical mining.

If you aren't doing your rotation correctly, no amount of parsing will fix that. You have to know what you are doing wrong, which frankly looking at a bland number will not tell you that you should be using contation after tri-disaster on the last second of raging strikes to improve output in the opener. Not only is such information impossible for a parser to determine (DoT aren't actually in the log and the ticks are not on the client) but it's also completely obvious without using a parser. People who do not understand the usage of a parser cannot improve from using it. You shouldn't be using a parser to fix your rotation. You should be using a parser to fix your equipment.

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Oh, I know. I've theorycrafted single target HPS potentials on AST and WHM on the healer forum and no amount of parsing will allow you to determine that effectively due to the resource nature of the classes.

I will admit, I'm not quite sure why you're speaking to me at length about this as I am fully aware this is the case. xD As I mentioned, the comment you were replying to was an unfortunate reaction on my part to the tone of a comment, not the actual content of the comment itself.