Dark Knight Megathread

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Originally Posted by The_User

Dark Mind increase healing received wouldn't remind anyone of ToB of course. Might as well increase recast timer to 90s so they can have a similarity even more..

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At this point I don't even think you know what you're arguing for, and are just trying to be contrarian? So, please make sense soon.

ToB's big things are that it boosts your max HP substantially and heals you for what it adds; the 20% healing is just a boon so that healers don't fall behind on your expanded health pool, and even then it gains that as an add-on in late Shadowbringers rather than a base effect of the ability.
Meanwhile three tanks gained a HoT this expansion. No raw mitigation tools are exclusive to any one, only the way they're used.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

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Agree to disagree then. I think lines were a bad move, and that a ranged AoE is just as useful for the same task (albeit perhaps for different positions than the line was). Point of preference.

Funny how Dark Mind would be one step away from turning to ToB if that proposal got accepted. And the only thing that stand between them being identical is magical and barrier ah such a thin line.



Now if more and more tank buster in high end raid turn to a magical attack then all it take is increase Dark Mind recast timer to 90s and you will be using Dark Mind and ToB the same way : See Tank Buster Coming>Hit Dark Mind/ToB>Mitigate a damage and got healing boost.

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Originally Posted by The_User

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K so, two things.

One, Dark Mind already is used that way. That's the point of my solution -- ideally, it won't change the use-case in high-end content. It doesn't need anything in high-end content. I'm only focusing on stuff for the lower end for Dark Mind, which is really where DRK's issues accumulate since it gives it a barrier to entry.

Two... tone the cattiness down, chief. You're firing off on people on the same side as you, or as close as you're gonna get without a cloning operation.

One, It doesn't mean it have to remain that way.

Two... feel like behave at my command? if so, I might reconsider your proposal as well.

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Originally Posted by The_User

One, It doesn't mean it have to remain that way.

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Okay, so please propose an alternative, if you have a better idea. Speak plainly about what you want to see and we can actually discuss it.

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Two... feel like behave at my command? if so, I might reconsider your proposal as well.

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... what did I just read?

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Dark Mind :

If, by the time of the execution of this ability, the current HP of target is above 50% :

Creates a barrier around target that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 1200 potency. Duration 10s.

If, by the time of the execution of this ability, the current HP of target is below 51% : Restores target's HP. Cure Potency : 1200


It will be able to shield or heal depend on the player. This might got people thinking which is better for which situation and then came a decision making which may or may not impact or change the situation.


I won't declare that it is a greatest idea just a different pov. Feel free to disregard it if you want.





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I noticed that people who want me to behave as they want never care to behave the way I wanted them too.

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Originally Posted by The_User

Dark Mind :

If, by the time of the execution of this ability, the current HP of target is above 50% :

Creates a barrier around target that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 1200 potency. Duration 10s.

If, by the time of the execution of this ability, the current HP of target is below 51% : Restores target's HP. Cure Potency : 1200

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So just to be clear here, your backhanded complaining about Dark Mind overlapping with WAR's ToB is because you want it to overlap with WAR's Equilibrium instead?

Also, isn't yet another barrier sort of redundant for the tank who can already make them 2-3 times a minute? Bearing in mind that it would be almost the same coverage as TBN unless you crit, so any complaints you have about TBN being burned out in 3 seconds would be equally applicable to this skill.

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I noticed that people who want me to behave as they want never care to behave the way I wanted them too.

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Uh yeah, because civility is a mark of mutual respect. If you're going to come out of the gate SWINGING like you already don't care about anyone else's opinion, why do you think anyone owes you better than what you've already given them?

Last I checked Equilibrium and ToB can't change the effect accordingly with the current HP of the target.

Make no mistake this new Dark Mind can only give 1 effect at the time of it's execution. It is not set in stone like Equilibrium or ToB and if I'm ever afraid that the barrier is gonna burst instantly in a big pull then I could just wait till my HP drop below 51% to get a heal instead.


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Why would I waste my time in here if I don't care? do you know that even a beggar didn't beg for a respect?

last I checked jesting or being sarcastic isn't against the rule.

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Originally Posted by The_User

Last I checked Equilibrium and ToB can't change the effect accordingly with the current HP of the target.

Make no mistake this new Dark Mind can only give 1 effect at the time of it's execution. It is not set in stone like Equilibrium or ToB and if I'm ever afraid that the barrier is gonna burst instantly in a big pull then I could just wait till my HP drop below 51% to get a heal instead.

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That's just a matter of splitting hairs though. Whether it's a potency-based barrier or a heal, health is health -- the difference is only that Equilibrium can overheal and your suggestion wouldn't.
That, and Equilibrium is actually 1000 potency stronger thanks to its HoT.

Meanwhile the fact that you think that's distinct enough but that Dark Mind being magical mitigation versus ToB being a heal and temp health boost are not distinct is... interesting.

Although I'm just now noticing that the phrasing would mean you can directly heal an ally which... yikes. Whole can of worms for a Dark Knight to be healing people, which is also part of why I don't support the suggestion to make Oblation a HoT.

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last I checked jesting or being sarcastic isn't against the rule.

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Sure, but you're assuming a level of familiarity where we might jest and assume it's in good humor. I don't know you like that, so it comes across like you being hostile out of nowhere. And you've been doing that for several pages before you turned my way.

You don't have to like it but isn't just sugar coating. The concept here is that it give player the decision making for a possibly better outcome which other mitigation didn't offer.

If I got hit by a healing down debuff then I could choose barrier of Dark Mind. If my party member drop a healing boost buff then I can choose a heal of Dark Mind to gain a better benefit if I deemed it would. If I feel like barrier isn't gonna be effective than I can choose to get a healing instead and it may require timing to hit this ability later than it would than when I want a barrier from it. It involve player's decision and wait for the right timing or planing before hand to get the outcome that they aiming for.


So you get to decide that DRK can grant people a temporary extra HP bar aka shield made of love namely The Blackest Night but a direct heal is too cute? To this day I'm still wonder whether that increase max hp and restore the amount that increased and create a barrier yadda yadda is just a word play when they behave almost the same?









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Then you should realize that I was already been like that before and it didn't mean you're being specifically picked on.

Especially when you confirmed that you have already saw that I was like that several pages before.