Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

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Originally Posted by Hoshikogi

The developers would need to ballance out it's mechanics as so not to undermine Warrior. I veiw it as compensation for pld's lack of damage. Basicly, it allows a party with a paladin to match the dps level of a party that would contain a war tank, nothing more. This move would also provide a paralleled ability for Collusion.

You have to remember, the warrior is all about self, not the party. I see it with respects to improving the morale of the party. Something I beleive a PLD could easily accomplish with all it's divinity and shinyness.

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I agree, with the proper balance this skill could really take off.

I remember WAR was going to get an AoE HP buff followed by the ability to break out of sleep. (Weird combination.)
Reminded me of that. Like a battle cry I could say.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

omg, ok leme break it down barny style.

top dps done by Ifrit is normal attaks,
second is sear
third is incinerate (and yes , Im sure i spelled that wrong , who cares)
fourth is usually plumes (if they hit me at all, shit happens)
and normally last on the list is Hell fire, sentinal, rampart and stone skin makes hell fire hit less then 800 everytime.

that explain it?

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still, the WAR I heal on ifrit doesnt die from all of it. And he do quite nice damage on Ifrit. so.....

meh, like i said, shit happens, if the WHM gets anmiation lock while on cracks he/she gose down, blm dosent have raise and we never run with bards. sure I can raise em but that takes too much time that I dont have enless we get lucky and get Jumps* right after the WHM gose down. soo like I said if its a good whm that can stay alive, One , OTHERWISE 2 lols

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Hmm. I'd prefer if my cure spells where set for their intended use and have enmity charging skills have more of an impact, but I suppose it's a valid strategy. After all, Cure on PLD must reap hate for some reason.

Thanks.

I am serious by the way. I've been feeling relatively useless in battles as of late.

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ok Gramul, will take a minute for a full break down, at least of what I personally do. and because I have pld pretty much memorized to instinct I may miss somthing.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

meh, like i said, shit happens, if the WHM gets anmiation lock while on cracks he/she gose down, blm dosent have raise and we never run with bards. sure I can raise em but that takes too much time that I dont have enless we get lucky and get cracks right after the WHM gose down. soo like I said if its a good whm that can stay alive, One , OTHERWISE 2 lols

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Just wondering, do you run with a full BLM setup with PLD tank or do you use melee in your Ifrit setup?

Hate Control:

1possable , keep your party close enough to get the effects of Rampart
2If timing alows, use sentinal before as many vokes, hate generating ablities as possable ( keep in mind rampart is not effected by sentinal)
3obviously your simple vokes are flash, provoke and when you can , wardrum. all great when used back to back with sentinal
4 combos, not as easy but should have little difficulty. fast blade to flat blade can be put on a macro, spam it as offten as you can. obvously you should know the spirits within combo, keep that one on your main bar as its use is situational (after a block) and if you have enough tp , pop shield bash when you can too.
5 self heals/ party heals are usefull in hate generation and surviability.
PLD's ability to consistantly generate hate reguardless of what kind of mob you face is what sets its hate generation appart from WAR, war requires to deal decent damage to compete , once you take that away (example, batrall) war generates less hate and far less self heals.

Survivablity
1 add def and vit to your gear, hp is nice, but pointless if normal damage is kicking your ass
2 ageious boon is your best ability
3 stone skin , well timed and or coupled with devine veil is awsome
4 get a shield you can add materia to, and add def.
5 self heals , self explanitory
6 def / vit food works (lanascin toast) think i spelt that right.
7 again Rampart, works great on magic too.
9 did i mention stone skin, yeah, use it, alot.

MP management

well only realy two things you can do here,

Devine veil coupled with outmonuver
or cover with af top peice.
sure you could get agious boon or mp song from bard but thats outside and unrealiable.

damage dealing:

-.- , your a tank. enough said.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Fury

Just wondering, do you run with a full BLM setup with PLD tank or do you use melee in your Ifrit setup?

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dosent matter but if we want consistant speed runs, full blm works best for us.

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Originally Posted by Aion

still, the WAR I heal on ifrit doesnt die from all of it. And he do quite nice damage on Ifrit. so.....

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never said war did bad, just a good pld in decent gear can take much less damage, and keep hate just fine. I agree war has , as of now, superior hate controll , soo long as he can do decent dps and lands most of his hits. but the fact that war has requirements to controll hate well that can become questionable in certain situations makes it too unreliable imo.

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Originally Posted by Aion

still, the WAR I heal on ifrit doesnt die from all of it. And he do quite nice damage on Ifrit. so.....

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.... so, your not even main tank, wich makes me think you havent spent enough time to on either job to build a solid knowledge base to even begin to critisize me or how I tank. Leme draw it out for you


99% of the population finds it easier to tank on WAR and soo they do
1% know how to tank on PLD and soo they do.
of that 1% maybe half have developed gear that makes tanking on PLD far more superior then tanking on WAR(I am in THAT group), ESPECIALLY if you put war in heavy def / vit gear (war loses acc , att, crit rate/atk boosts, gimping hate gen and self heals)
soo all this "YAY WAR IS SOOO AWSOME PLD IS USELESS!!" stigma in generated by ignorant people , like yourself, who know nothing of what they are talking about. This is not to say that WAR isnt a good tank, but a decent PLD dose just as good as a decent WAR and a PLD who knows the job inside and out and has gear specifically build around the job can make PLD outshine WAR 10X over. no amounts of DPS or hate generation will make up for the fact that PLD actually TANKS the mob and dose it better then WAR. WAR is more like a damage sponge with just enough def and hp to give the WHMs time to keep him alive while he dose massive damage.

I never criticize on your tanking, just wondering how your thm/blm get hit by vulcan burst (and you had to prism cure them)

and as you said if 99& population finds it easier tank with WAR,doesnt it means that WAR is better tank? or you meant that 99% population of this community dont know how to tank>?