We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

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Originally Posted by AiiroOkami

I don't understand your complains about the oGCD skills, you can easily do 1 oGCD skill after a GCD skill, even a Bloodletter that just proced, be faster that's all.

You can call me an elitist all you want, I really don't care. But don't blame the class and try to improve, switch to another job or quit the game.
And stop all those whining thread already, that's just exhausting and any of the whiners have good arguments and just are "I can't do it, so it's broken"

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As I said before. Its abunch of people whining who haven't given the class a fair go. Plenty of BRDs are having no problems with the rotation. The difference is they actually tried.

To be fair, I suppose BRD wasn't a class for people who wanted to try in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Tila

Its abunch of people whining who haven't given the class a fair go.

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So what's the name of the character you have that has Bard at 60? Because the one you're displaying has it at 6.

I mean, obviously you have one, because you've given it a fair go, right? You've leveled it to 60 and given it a fair go to see how much the gameplay changes instead of just going off of what other people may do, right?

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

So what's the name of the character you have that has Bard at 60? Because the one you're displaying has it at 6.

I mean, obviously you have one, because you've given it a fair go, right? You've leveled it to 60 and given it a fair go to see how much the gameplay changes instead of just going off of what other people may do, right?

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I know that there are BRDs having no issue with the new rotation. I know there are BRDs parsing just fine for DPS. I know that there are a lot of people saying that the new rotation is sloppy and thus they can't DPS, and those same people want the ARR back. A few days ago the core argument was no mobility. Thats been beaten into the dirt and no one cared to listen. So now the whiners jumped on "Well the rotation is just plain bad and/or impossible."

So either the rotation is fine and people need to learn it. Or the rotation is bad and those who are doing fine DPS aren't really.

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Originally Posted by Tila

Things that don't answer what I asked.

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So you don't have a Bard at 60, then?

So you're actually being a hypocrite by saying the Bards should give it a fair go before saying they don't like it when you haven't given it a fair go, then?

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

So you don't have a Bard at 60, then?

So you're actually being a hypocrite by saying the Bards should give it a fair go before saying they don't like it when you haven't given it a fair go, then?

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Nothing hypocritical about. I dont want a bard in the first place and didn't before. I think you need to learn the definition of hypocrite, or at least not jump to calling people negative things because you disagree with them. But no, keep arguing against all that silly evidence that BRD rotations and DPS are fine, and the class as a whole is fine. Its a new experience, people need to learn it. The argument that they are a bad class is blatantly false and one people keep using and shouldn't.

Mind you, I did learn my warriors new mechanic: stance dancing, and had to get used to it. It's a pain in the ass learning when you can switch, but I did.

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Originally Posted by Tila

not jump to calling people negative things because you disagree with them.

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But saying we're just whining because we're not giving it a fair go, when you haven't yourself, is positive and okay, then? Not to mention this little gem:

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Originally Posted by Tila

I suppose BRD wasn't a class for people who wanted to try in the first place.

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Let's try not complaining about others being negative when you're being negative yourself, hm?

And what is it, if not hypocrisy, to say that we need to give it a fair go before judging it when you're judging it without giving it a fair go?

Someone who's only gotten up to level 53 and used it for a single dungeon has objectively more experience than you do, so how come they're not allowed to not like it when you haven't even touched it?

What makes your opinion worth so much more than someone who's objectively experienced it and not liked it? Because other people that aren't you are okay with it?

Well, other people that aren't me also don't like it, so clearly if "other people that aren't us" are a valid source of information, we're on equal grounds on that.

That leaves just our own personal experience. And I'm the only one of us two who has experienced it.

If you think that being a hypocrite is something negative, then don't hold people to standards you don't meet.

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Originally Posted by Tila

Mind you, I did learn my warriors new mechanic: stance dancing, and had to get used to it. It's a pain in the ass learning when you can switch, but I did.

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Really? Because my Warrior's 55 and I'm having a super easy time figuring out when to switch so far. It's not that hard to pay attention to how fights work and know when you should be expecting heavy damage and when will be minor damage.

Also, here's the difference: As a tank, you don't need to stance dance to be effective. If you're the one being hit, congratulations, you're doing your job properly. It's the DPS' job to kill things faster. Deliverance is a bonus, not a requirement.

As a Bard, if you don't use WM, you aren't going to be effective. Period.

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

Also, here's the difference: As a tank, you don't need to stance dance to be effective. If you're the one being hit, congratulations, you're doing your job properly. It's the DPS' job to kill things faster. Deliverance is a bonus, not a requirement..

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lol, yes, its my job to not be effective. This says a lot. It's a very bardic mentality, since those who use that class are well known for not wanting to use their support songs: thus the class for people who dont want to try.

BRDs are parsing fine. Many have no problem with the rotation that whiners say is bad. That tells me whiners arent trying.

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Originally Posted by Tila

whiners say is bad. That tells me whiners arent trying.

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Weren't you just complaining about people being negative, Negative Nancy?

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

Weren't you just complaining about people being negative, Negative Nancy?

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You make such compelling arguments. That said, the big issue was that you weren't even using the word properly.

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Originally Posted by Tila

You make such compelling arguments. That said, the big issue was that you weren't even using the word properly.

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hypocrisy
the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do

You tell us not to make a judgment on it without giving it a fair go, while making your judgment on it without giving it a fair go.

I've used it incorrectly? Do explain.