Terrible Payment System

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

The problem with that is that I'm Deaf, and the relay services here in the U.S. do not do international calls! That makes it impossible!

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Yeah I can see where that would be a problem :/ If you really want to cancel C&B, just get a new card :/

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

Yeah I can see where that would be a problem :/ If you really want to cancel C&B, just get a new card :/

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Still, just as good of a reason to make sure this thread doesn't drop off the front page. I think Square-Enix is either A) kicking the can down the road, or B) Trying to pretend that ClickandBuy is not trouble.

If those who have a personal interest in this issue would help keep this thread on the front page, that would be appreciated. I don't think Square will like seeing their huge glut of PS3 users coming, discovering that ClickandBuy is ready to screw them over, and then leaving in droves.

Sadly they r even putting FFX11 on this aswell. i was thinking getting back on 11 but not now. maybe we should do the same to 14 as ppl are for 11
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-way-no-thanks.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Still, just as good of a reason to make sure this thread doesn't drop off the front page. I think Square-Enix is either A) kicking the can down the road, or B) Trying to pretend that ClickandBuy is not trouble.

If those who have a personal interest in this issue would help keep this thread on the front page, that would be appreciated. I don't think Square will like seeing their huge glut of PS3 users coming, discovering that ClickandBuy is ready to screw them over, and then leaving in droves.

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Yeah I don't plan on letting it die down. It's just too big of an issue for me. I don't like dealing with crooken companies. I understand that Crysta is available and that is most likely the option I will go, however I do feel for people who can't use C&B or crysta or the ultimate card thingies.

I wish I could see what sort of vice C&B has SE's nuts in that would make them move XI to that company as well.

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

Yeah I don't plan on letting it die down. It's just too big of an issue for me. I don't like dealing with crooken companies. I understand that Crysta is available and that is most likely the option I will go, however I do feel for people who can't use C&B or crysta or the ultimate card thingies.

I wish I could see what sort of vice C&B has SE's nuts in that would make them move XI to that company as well.

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Probably business associates from Eidos, or the Yakuza. The Yaks have a lot of involvement in legitimate business operations like Square-Enix, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were intentionally making their customers easy targets for a hacking operation run by the Yakuza.

To be honest, as it is now, ClickandBuy is a VERY toxic asset, and are not worth the potential collateral damage to Square's customer base. I think we need to find who are current shareholders in Square Enix and ask them to pressure the company to get rid of CnB.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Probably business associates from Eidos, or the Yakuza. The Yaks have a lot of involvement in legitimate business operations like Square-Enix, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were intentionally making their customers easy targets for a hacking operation run by the Yakuza.

To be honest, as it is now, ClickandBuy is a VERY toxic asset, and are not worth the potential collateral damage to Square's customer base. I think we need to find who are current shareholders in Square Enix and ask them to pressure the company to get rid of CnB.

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You really think the Yakuza would dabble in a company like SE? I find that hard to believe, however...I don't know a lot about the history and culture of Japan...so who knows...regardless yeah I would like to see the stock holders in SE...would be rather interesting....I think.

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

You really think the Yakuza would dabble in a company like SE? I find that hard to believe, however...I don't know a lot about the history and culture of Japan...so who knows...regardless yeah I would like to see the stock holders in SE...would be rather interesting....I think.

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The Yakuza were involved with Nintendo, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. I don't know how we can find out who's a Square-Enix stockholder in the Nikkei, but it's something we'll need to figure out soon if we're going to pressure Square Enix to do the right thing...

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

The Yakuza were involved with Nintendo, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. I don't know how we can find out who's a Square-Enix stockholder in the Nikkei, but it's something we'll need to figure out soon if we're going to pressure Square Enix to do the right thing...

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Wow, didn't know that....scarey...

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Originally Posted by Lerris

Can't even buy Crysta directly from SE...
Have to go through UltimatePay or ClickandBuy.

I don't understand why they can't piggyback on the PlayOnline billing system. This is perhaps the biggest step backwards for SE where FFXIV is concerned.

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The problem with POL was that the billing system did not start when the player started the subscription, and only stuck to the first day of each month. So it left some users a little annoyed, but geez! Count on Square Enix to make the problem even worse!

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

The problem with POL was that the billing system did not start when the player started the subscription, and only stuck to the first day of each month. So it left some users a little annoyed, but geez! Count on Square Enix to make the problem even worse!

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Everyone that played FFXI assumed that any changes to the billing system could only be an improvement, after years of double billing, overcharging (reactivating for the last day of month = $12.95 for 1 day + $12.95 for the next month, plus $2 per mule), lack of subscription based billing cycle and other issues. But they were wrong. Dead wrong. It could indeed get worse.

Thanks everyone for helping to keep this alive. While it's not as popular as the FFXI thread with over 1,000 posts, for a community of our size it really shows a large chunk of players feel the same way. As this is currently the largest thread on the FFXIV forums dealing with payment concerns, a community rep response is long overdue.