Can't make a full premade for Crystal Tower...

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

Can't make a full premade for Crystal Tower RIGHT OFF THE BAT. They'll add it later

holy shit people complaining about everything.

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2 years after the 24 man content was decided on by the devs, 6 months after they announce it to the players, and after a delay of 30% of a patch cycle we kinda expect that things in planning this long would work. This is my issue with it. if they put content out early this wouldn't be an issue, but its not just late, its really late and still won't work right.

Apparently the item level required for this raid is 55, which is absolutely asinine. It's basically a giant Wanderer's Palace. They're probably doing this because a full alliance would probably trivialize the content and an alliance of puggles will give the illusion that this is actually some sort of challenging content.

It's these casual give me everything kids that ruined MMO's. You don't have the time or skill to get to end game content? Door is right over there. Go play Candy Crush or something.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Its suppose to be the casual dungeon they already said this. I don't know why people keep expecting some sort of hardcore must get 24 people to run this. There are a lot of people who aren't in big linkshells that will solo queue for this so it makes no sense to have a minimim requirement to queue for casual endgame content. There is no lockout on this so you can do it as many times as you want.

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I don't see the logic in your argument . Really how is the possibility to queue whit a premade alliance stopping all what you're saying from happens ? Lonowelfers or small fc/ls will still go through the df , and big fc who want to play together can not cause it's supposed to be easy puggable content ? Make no sense at all

Yeah this sucks. Why is SE discouraging people being social SO VERY MUCH? ; ;

This feels like 1.0 all over again, SE is listening to nothing people say or want. It makes me really, really sad because I love Final Fantasy...and though this time it would be different but it seems like the devs already have a vision set for this game and could care less what their player base wants.

Your not looking for 16 other players, your looking for 2 other parties of 8.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Its suppose to be the casual dungeon they already said this. I don't know why people keep expecting some sort of hardcore must get 24 people to run this. There are a lot of people who aren't in big linkshells that will solo queue for this so it makes no sense to have a minimim requirement to queue for casual endgame content. There is no lockout on this so you can do it as many times as you want.

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What "doesn't make sense" is disallowing players from bringing three pre-made full parties if they want to.

I'll just say this: at least, Raid Finder was optional in WoW. It wasn't made at the expense of normal/heroic raiding.

Meanwhile, flexible raiding is now a reality, allowing you to play with anything from 10 to 25 players (12, 17, 21… your choice, no PU's to complement, the game scales to your group and its equipment level).

But hey, "it's FF, thus it's great", right? Mere-exposure effect = loss of objectivity. Spin it however you want, white knights, you're neither helping this game nor its community. Nor yourself, for that matter. Here you're just denying the fundamentals of human nature and MMORPG's altogether. Way to go. I'm not saying the uproar is OK when it becomes rude, I'm not saying the game will die because of this (there'll always be the die-hard-eat-all FF fans to sustain it somehow regardless of any other market competition and conventionally accepted features in MMO). I'm just saying there's no way not to see this temporary lack as a huge letdown, that could heavily impair the future of this player base—especially on Christmas eve. Because people will simply look away.

Note: eventually, CT will be available for pre-made 24-men groups. Eventually. But it's arguably one of the worst decision ever in MMORPG to roll out raid content without allowing actual raiding groups to play it together. There's no way to justify such a lack. You know, MMO's being social games above all else… 'Social' implying that friends are more desirable than strangers, at least as far as humans are concerned… Also considering that the Rube Goldberg machine that the Duty Finder is in this game—as are a lot of other things for that matter—seems to be complicating the life of developers as much as that of the players.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Yeah this sucks. Why is SE discouraging people being social SO VERY MUCH? ; ;

This feels like 1.0 all over again, SE is listening to nothing people say or want. It makes me really, really sad because I love Final Fantasy...and though this time it would be different but it seems like the devs already have a vision set for this game and could care less what their player base wants.

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They are listening. People want content NOW (blabla no "endgame" content, whatever, content is still content and you can't prove me wrong on that) instead of later. So SE had to make a choice: Wait another month (or even longer!) to implement everything causing people to complain a lot more for WAITING, or release stuff sooner (like people have been asking for, for weeks already) and let people complain about stuff not being implemented.

Either way: People will complain.

SOMEONE will ALWAYS complain about something, that's a given fact.

You can't please every single person when developing and updating a MMO. Heck, some (quite a lot of) people aren't pleased with WoW, saying everytime when a new Expansion releases that it "will ruin the game" etc.

(EDIT because of the 1000 cap)

I'm amazed about people complaining (or saying that X type of gamer doesn't deserve to be here) about endgame content being introduced for everyone, no matter their playstyle. If CT is super easy for some of us and is intended to be done partially with the DF so what? It's not as if BC isn't going to get any more updates, or as if we don't get new 4-man content, or solo quests, etc. They'll probably update CT further down the road to let us do it with a full 24-man premade, but it wasn't their priority for this raid at its launch, obviously, as they said from the start that it was going to be balanced around the DF (unlike Coil).

Really, have you thought that maybe the hardcore raiding crowd is not their main target for this specific content? How is having content being released for everyone, even filthy casuals (sarcasm) or people without a large FC, a bad thing? Can't you simply wait a bit for until it's updated to allow 24-man premades to faceroll it?

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

I'm amazed about people complaining (or saying that X type of gamer doesn't deserve to be here) about endgame content being introduced for everyone, no matter their playstyle. If CT is super easy for some of us and is intended to be done partially with the DF so what? It's not as if BC isn't going to get any more updates, or as if we don't get new 4-man content, or solo quests, etc. They'll probably update CT further down the road to let us do it with a full 24-man premade, but it wasn't their priority for this raid at its launch, obviously, as they said from the start that it was going to be balanced around the DF (unlike Coil).

Really, have you thought that maybe the hardcore raiding crowd is not their main target for this specific content? How is having content being released for everyone, even filthy casuals (sarcasm) or people without a large FC, a bad thing? Can't you simply wait a bit for until it's updated to allow 24-man premades to faceroll it?

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The problem is that, regardless of how much of a minority they are, giving raiders only 4 bosses to grind over for 6-7 months is just very, very little for a 2013 MMORPG. That's just fact. As I said in another thread, why not adapt to the situation (CT postponed, lack of endgame content) and make CT iLv90 so that it's actually relevant to everyone?