It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

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Originally Posted by Kohl

Yes, the part of your own computer that isn’t running the intellectual property of a company you have access to through a subscription that is contingent on agreement to a TOS.
True.

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Arguing against something that currently isn't part of the game because right now it isn't in the game isn't a great counter. The TOS forbids outside modification of game files, if this option was implemented it would be well within TOS.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Sorta? When you claim immersion, and don't take part of the full story of the game.

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So you get to define what "full story" is then? If I didn't read every derivative work of the Star Wars expanded universe am I not "immersing myself" enough? Because I choose which story i want to read?

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

That claim comes from a lack of info from what the world sets.

So, I am dictating for using flawed logic and not having enough info to make said claims.

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The logic is that the experience we wish to have doesn't include the content specifically separated to allow choice of experience. I've said this before but every player is playing on the same server but there are thousands of different versions of the game being played in peoples heads.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Arguing against something that currently isn't part of the game because right now it isn't in the game isn't a great counter. The TOS forbids outside modification of game files, if this option was implemented it would be well within TOS.

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Yeah, I pretty much phoned that one in.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

On this topic I have already admitted that there was a time that I would have wanted this option too (years ago), but I my mind HAS changed on the topic and I find that it was a change in the correct direction. But yes, if someone could actually make a good argument, I would totally reconsider my stance. I am sure you feel similarly to some degree.

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There is no "correct" way to view this, only subjective opinions. That's why we have these discussions, to try and find a common middle ground.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

The developers are exercising the rights of their company in controlling their intellectual property in slowly moving towards the developers idea of unlocking gender restrictions from gear so as to not so quickly offend people who have a problem with that. If they chose to adopt a "regressive" feature because of demand, that isn't really expressing their own expression as it takes away from their resources to continue the story of their game and game world.

I don't if I am answering your questions in a satisfactory way, but I am trying. Thank you for answering my question.

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It wasn't the developers idea to unlock gender restrictions, it was a vocal section of the community harassing them and calling them things like "regressive" and "bigoted" that caused them to start. If it was their idea all along then there wouldn't have been a restriction on the gear in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

So you get to define what "full story" is then? If I didn't read every derivative work of the Star Wars expanded universe am I not "immersing myself" enough? Because I choose which story i want to read?


The logic is that the experience we wish to have doesn't include the content specifically separated to allow choice of experience. I've said this before but every player is playing on the same server but there are thousands of different versions of the game being played in peoples heads.

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So how can you make a immersion claim as your reason, because you pick to ignore the rest of the story because it is optional? That is not how it works, your rights to ignore it and to warp the story to what only you pick to do does not mean that you can make claim to immersion, when you don't have the overall picture of the world,and stories in it.



Your choice is to ignore the lore, and by having immersion breaking problems. That choice has become a problem for you.

Remember the fight with Grand Companies? SE didn't care about my glamour and I had to do the fight in normal tank armor. Ugly, non pink tank gear. They can already filter it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Both are pretty boring to look at, in my opinion. I've found that quite often the players most eager to show off their characters tend to design them in a way that just isn't conventionally attractive at all. Just tacky.

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Eh, live and let live I say. I man both Fran and Kuja wore revealing and rather ridiculous outfits not like its anything new in FF. But aye I am deffo a fan of the more thought out glam rather then the skimpy ones but I wouldn't go as far and wanting to hide how other characters look. OP is entitled to their opinion but I do think folks are being a little silly about the whole thing. The only issue I have with blokes wearing dresses is that the bridesmaids dress is hideous it looks awful on anyone XD

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Don't stop, I enjoy reading your posts even if it takes you some times to get out!

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I aspire to at least be engaging and/or amusing in my posts, whether or not folks agree with my position.

And failing that, I'll just be really, really verbose.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

I know you are being fair to Zabuza and what he said, but let me ask you. If someone only takes part in one element of the game and ignore the rest of the world. How can they make the claim of immersion, if they don't immersive themselves in the game fully?

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I think there's a difference between immersion and thematic, which is what I was trying to get at there.

The argument folks were making originally was that "you never see things like that in the story", which is false; that argument suggests it's unthematic (i.e. has no place in the game world), but there are demonstrable canon instances of it. And though the Il Mheg side quests, pixie Beast Tribe quests, and so on aren't part of the main scenario, they're definitely still part of the overall story.

I agree entirely that without actually familiarizing yourself with all the corners of the game world, you can't say for certain if something is thematic, because it might have happened in a corner of the game that you haven't seen.

But immersion is different. Immersion is your ability to... well, immerse yourself in a story. And it's possible for even the story itself to destroy your immersion; think of those times where you've been watching a TV show and you come across an episode that's badly written. You find yourself thinking, "No, there's no way Jane would've stolen that plane, she would've stayed behind to disarm the bomb that was in the animal shelter!" or "Xilithos has been actively repulsed by mammalian 'courtship rituals' for three seasons, why would he suddenly want to sign up for a speed dating session in the ship's lounge?" or whatever.

Now you can no longer just sit back and enjoy the story, because your brain is gnawing on that thought; your immersion has been jarred.

And immersion is inherently subjective. Several years back, I watched a movie about King Arthur with a friend; both of us have a bit of a hobbyist interest in Arthurian myth and the evidence for what actual historical events might have inspired those tales. This movie made a big fuss with text at the front of the movie about how it was going to tell the real story of Arthur, reconstructed from what historical basis had been found.

And then the first scene literally opened with someone walking up to another guy and addressing him as Lancelot.

(For those who are unaware, Lancelot is a 12th century French addition to the Arthurian mythos, created—so far as anyone can tell, anyway—by the poet Chrétien de Troyes.)

We both made a sort of outraged strangled gurgling noise. Having thrown that out at us right after making a huge fuss about being 'historically accurate', any hope of our having been immersed in the story was broken; now we found ourselves leaning forward on my couch almost involuntarily cataloging all the myriad places it got even known bits of likely Arthurian history wrong. And normal history. (Did they get the bridles right on the horses? That costume's totally not period! Etc.)

One line—just one line—was enough to shatter our immersion, even though someone else might've sailed through without objection.

So: someone saying that their immersion is ruined by an outfit? I can't counter that; immersion is wholly subjective. But people saying their immersion is ruined specifically because an outfit is unthematic—that it's not appropriate to this game, or the Final Fantasy franchise as a whole—is a different matter; at that point, you're pointing to a fact, which can be objectively right or wrong. And in that case, maybe showing folks that it isn't unthematic—that the movie or TV show or book or game has the offending element in it already in some other place—actually removes their objection; it has genuinely happened before.

Person A: "Ugh, there's no reason that Frederick should have a magic sword that looks like a katana in a fantasy setting based on Western lore. That's unthematic and it breaks my immersion in this book!"

Person B: "No, see, Fred was Sir Netherferd's squire, right? Back before Netherferd got eaten by the Ravenous Ferns of Borinth two books ago, I mean. There's this whole set of side stories about when Sir Netherferd was younger, and a point where he traveled the world to try to find the ultimate swordfighter to learn from. He spent two whole years in Fuxia, which is based on a sort of pan-Asian cultural fusion, and his teacher there gifted him a sword. And in another story it was enchanted by Bonk, the greatest wizard of all the ogres, in gratitude for Netherferd finding his lost cat. And Sir Netherferd left the sword to Frederick in his will, so after he was eaten by the ferns..."

Person A: "Ooooh. Okay, that fits! I'm a little annoyed that's only referenced in the side-stories, though."

Person B: "Yeah, there's a pretty huge amount of lore you only find in those."

Fred's sword broke immersion, but it wasn't unthematic. And in that case, demonstrating it actually is thematic restores immersion! (See also: 73.6% of all conversations I have with people involving Star Wars. I am always Person B in such conversations. Though for some inexplicable reason, most of my friends won't debate what is or isn't thematic in Star Wars with me anymore; they just blindly take my word on things...)

In all seriousness, for me, those outfits don't break immersion though they do annoy me a little bit when they show up in serious cutscenes. But based on what replies came up after I listed the squadron NPCs et al, it seems in this case it won't restore immersion for various folks; it's not actually about thematic or not, but about whether they think it's appropriate in tone.

And that's a wholly subjective measurement; we can no more dictate someone's position on that than they can ours.

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Originally Posted by Joven

There is no "correct" way to view this, only subjective opinions. That's why we have these discussions, to try and find a common middle ground.



It wasn't the developers idea to unlock gender restrictions, it was a vocal section of the community harassing them and calling them things like "regressive" and "bigoted" that caused them to start. If it was their idea all along then there wouldn't have been a restriction on the gear in the first place.

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I’ll just share this again: "... I was heading to the office on a Saturday and I saw a situation that made me very sad. I was trying to go into the office and I was waiting at a red light. I saw a high schooler coming from the other side of the road in their school uniform. It seemed that they were biologically male at birth but they were wearing a sailor fuku, which is traditionally female attire. In Japanese high schools, there’s more and more schools that are accommodating for freedom of not being restricted to a specific gender for your uniform...That person probably wanted to present the gender they identified with in their heart...On the other side of the road was a mother and a daughter. The daughter was perhaps 5 years old. As soon as the mother saw the high schooler, she shielded her daughter as if she didn’t want her daughter to see. The high schooler must have been very hurt. Situations like these still happen and there’s areas where there’s not as much understanding.

We need to see more change in the values people have, and we need to consider for Final Fantasy XIV how we push forward in-game and how we represent it."
-Naoki Yoshida (interviewed by Heather Alexandra)

Seems like Yoshida is down for the unlocking...

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

So how can you make a immersion claim as your reason, because you pick to ignore the rest of the story because it is optional? That is not how it works, your rights to ignore it and to warp the story to what only you pick to do does not mean that you can make claim to immersion, when you don't have the overall picture of the world,and stories in it.

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I immerse myself in the story I've created and undesirable glams yank me out of my own story. You are now effectively gatekeeping the FFXIV experience. You are no more of a "true fan" than I am or "More immersed" if you play ALL content than the casual who plays once a week and ONLY does MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Your choice is to ignore the lore, and by having immersion breaking problems. That choice has become a problem for you.

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My choice is to play the game and engage in the parts I enjoy. I am encouraged to customize and protect that experience with all the options given to me so that I may enjoy the game on my own terms. Telling someone that their immersion argument doesn't hold water is telling them they do not know the story THEY MADE UP enough. People claim immersion problems because their internal narrative of the WoL gets broken by other players choices, not that it's particularly out of line with the FF universe (which lets not kid ourselves involves everything from chibi versions of every hero stacking on top of each other to fight to cartoonishly misproportioned bird things in pajama like armor suits) but it's out of line with the world the player has chosen to create to explain their character. Immersion isn't about adhering to canon, it's how well you can detach from reality and live your imaginary story.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

I’ll just share this again: "... I was heading to the office on a Saturday and I saw a situation that made me very sad. I was trying to go into the office and I was waiting at a red light. I saw a high schooler coming from the other side of the road in their school uniform. It seemed that they were biologically male at birth but they were wearing a sailor fuku, which is traditionally female attire. In Japanese high schools, there’s more and more schools that are accommodating for freedom of not being restricted to a specific gender for your uniform...That person probably wanted to present the gender they identified with in their heart...On the other side of the road was a mother and a daughter. The daughter was perhaps 5 years old. As soon as the mother saw the high schooler, she shielded her daughter as if she didn’t want her daughter to see. The high schooler must have been very hurt. Situations like these still happen and there’s areas where there’s not as much understanding.

We need to see more change in the values people have, and we need to consider for Final Fantasy XIV how we push forward in-game and how we represent it."
-Naoki Yoshida (interviewed by Heather Alexandra)

Seems like Yoshida is down for the unlocking...

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They (SE) can already filter it. Just because they haven't given us the option means nothing.

Has anyone mentioned we get a dungeon set from a MSQ dungeon that is basically swimsuits. Which my retainers seem to love.

Yes it has been pointed out. I preferred the event gear that could be dyed.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

I’ll just share this again: "... I was heading to the office on a Saturday and I saw a situation that made me very sad. I was trying to go into the office and I was waiting at a red light. I saw a high schooler coming from the other side of the road in their school uniform. It seemed that they were biologically male at birth but they were wearing a sailor fuku, which is traditionally female attire. In Japanese high schools, there’s more and more schools that are accommodating for freedom of not being restricted to a specific gender for your uniform...That person probably wanted to present the gender they identified with in their heart...On the other side of the road was a mother and a daughter. The daughter was perhaps 5 years old. As soon as the mother saw the high schooler, she shielded her daughter as if she didn’t want her daughter to see. The high schooler must have been very hurt. Situations like these still happen and there’s areas where there’s not as much understanding.

We need to see more change in the values people have, and we need to consider for Final Fantasy XIV how we push forward in-game and how we represent it."
-Naoki Yoshida (interviewed by Heather Alexandra)

Seems like Yoshida is down for the unlocking...

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If that was truely the case, then why were they so adamant against making the bunny suit wearable by males for so long? Maybe I'm just cynical, but that story seems a bit too convenient to be true. That something like that happened to occur right in front of him during a time when all this fuss is going on about "genderlocked" gear.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Has anyone mentioned we get a dungeon set from a MSQ dungeon that is basically swimsuits. Which my retainers seem to love.

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YES. I mean, total digression, but: why does my Au Ra retainer always bring bits of the Shisui sets back from Quick Explorations? Is she actually from the Ruby Sea and just picks them up on jaunts home so she can pass the trip off as 'work' and expense everything? (And why does my lalafell retainer always bring back furniture or bits of houses? Should I be watching for an angry mob of offended homeowners?)

(And I did specifically mention the Shisui set in a post. Albeit it was about two hours ago, which in thread-years works out to—checks notes—eleventy billion and three pages ago.)

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Originally Posted by Joven

If that was truely the case, then why were they so adamant against making the bunny suit wearable my males for so long?

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Because they examined the aetheric currents, and the resulting prophetic reading was "if you do this, people will make a thread arguing about glamour that stretches on for more than a hundred pages." And no one wanted to deal with that. ;)

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Originally Posted by Joven

If that was truely the case, then why were they so adamant against making the bunny suit wearable my males for so long? Maybe I'm just cynical, but that story seems a bit too convenient to be true. That something like that happened to occur right in front of him during a time when all this fuss is going on about "genderlocked" gear.

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They weren't 'adamant against it' just took them a while to find the time to do it.

It the spirit of compromise; you know what option I would be like mostly ok with (51%)?
The option to be alone in your own CS. No other players with their glams turned off, just your PC and whatever NPCs need to be there.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

It the spirit of compromise; you know what option I would be like mostly ok with (51%)?
The option to be alone in your own CS. No other players with their glams turned off, just your PC and whatever NPCs need to be there.

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Given most of the objection folks seem to have to glamours is being subjected to them in dungeon runs, trials, and raids, I feel like this wouldn't address the root issue.

And I would not want to heal a dungeon run where I couldn't even perceive the tank's existence (save as a health bar in the party list). Nor would I want to be the tank in a party where the healer could not see me.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

They weren't 'adamant against it' just took them a while to find the time to do it.

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If I remember it correctly they originally had aesthetic objections against it, then thought the playerbase was "joking" , then finally after threads and threads and threads said they would do it and THEN it took them forever to do it.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Given most of the objection folks seem to have to glamours is being subjected to them in dungeon runs, trials, and raids, I feel like this wouldn't address the root issue.

And I would not want to heal a dungeon run where I couldn't even perceive the tank's existence (save as a health bar in the party list). Nor would I want to be the tank in a party where the healer could not see me.

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No, I mean just the cut scenes (CS) to preserve immersion. Not during gameplay, that would be unchanged.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

It the spirit of compromise; you know what option I would be like mostly ok with (51%)?
The option to be alone in your own CS. No other players with their glams turned off, just your PC and whatever NPCs need to be there.

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How is that compromise? Why do you want to dictate why I or others choose to look at or not look at?

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Originally Posted by CelestePinke

How is that compromise? Why do you want to dictate why I or others choose to look at or not look at?

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If people are complaining about story immersion, then having characters that break it for them not present in cut scenes could watch them without their sensibilities being affronted.
People who do not their character altered against their wishes will not be altered because they will not be displayed.
Is it a perfect compromise? Hell no.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

If people are complaining about story immersion, then having characters that break it for them not present in cut scenes could watch them without their sensibilities being affronted.
People who do not their character altered against their wishes will not be altered because they will not be displayed.
Is it a perfect compromise? Hell no.

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I DON'T care what your character looks like. What is so hard for you to understand? Nor do I care what you think about my character. I want to be the only character in pink and I don't want to see your character wearing what mine is.

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Originally Posted by CelestePinke

I DON\\'T care what your character looks like. What is so hard for you to understand? Nor do I care what you think about my character. I want to be the only character in pink and I don\\'t want to see your character wearing what mine is.

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I think I missed your initial comments that would have provided more context to your question and objection...

It's nice to see this thread is still going, it would have been sad to lose something so entertaining. Keep it up.

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Originally Posted by CelestePinke

I DON'T care what your character looks like. What is so hard for you to understand? Nor do I care what you think about my character. I want to be the only character in pink and I don't want to see your character wearing what mine is.

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For a minute there I thought this was an MMO. Thank you for clarifying this important stance <3

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

For a minute there I thought this was an MMO. Thank you for clarifying this important stance <3

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Glad to help. /pat

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Originally Posted by CelestePinke

Glad to help. /pat

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You shouldn't touch people without consent.

Immersion and world building are not the same thing.

Glamours are a part of the world building.

Interacting with glamours is immersion.

You can try to have your story be one without glamours and be immersed in it however this only last up to the Slyphs, where glamours are front and center as part of the msq meaning your story has glamours acknowledged from here on out, meaning immersion of no glamours falls flat after this point as they are 100% apart of your story and the world.

So muh immersion is a very bad excuse for this feature.

You are better off just getting up and moving away from anything that bothers you and anything in instances vote kick is there, difference in playstyle is valid reasoning just saying

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Isnip

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Was a ton to read! But I enjoyed it.



I see your point about the two. I just always found it hard to believe that people who care so much about immersion, would not care about the lore and the story of said world. The two go hand and hand to help you feel lost in said world. But i guess that is not the case for everyone.


Does not change my stance on matter, but I come to understand a little.

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Originally Posted by Gula

You shouldn't touch people without consent.

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Do you really want to open that can of worms? But ok for him to <3 at me? See where this could go?

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Originally Posted by CelestePinke

Remember the fight with Grand Companies? SE didn't care about my glamour and I had to do the fight in normal tank armor. Ugly, non pink tank gear. They can already filter it.

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I've wondered before about how those scenes work, and I don't think it's a "filter" - possibly any more than glamour plates were the temporary overlays that people originally envisaged they would be.

In those instances, you're specifically warned that your character is going to appear "glamoured" into certain gear but it won't affect your stats.

What I suspect it might be doing behind the scenes is making a copy of your character (or their gear) and applying glamours to it for the instance.

Regardless of how they do it, it has only been done in solo instances where only your character is affected. The costumes shown have been modest so it's not a case of being forced into revealing gear, as multiple people have mentioned being a concern about a wider filter system.

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Originally Posted by CelestePinke

I DON'T care what your character looks like. What is so hard for you to understand? Nor do I care what you think about my character. I want to be the only character in pink and I don't want to see your character wearing what mine is.

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I fail to see how either blocking or not-blocking glamours (I don't know which you are arguing for) will guarantee that you are the only person in the room wearing pink.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I've wondered before about how those scenes work, and I don't think it's a "filter" - possibly any more than glamour plates were the temporary overlays that people originally envisaged they would be.

In those instances, you're specifically warned that your character is going to appear "glamoured" into certain gear but it won't affect your stats.

What I suspect it might be doing behind the scenes is making a copy of your character (or their gear) and applying glamours to it for the instance.

Regardless of how they do it, it has only been done in solo instances where only your character is affected. The costumes shown have been modest so it's not a case of being forced into revealing gear, as multiple people have mentioned being a concern about a wider filter system.





I fail to see how either blocking or not-blocking glamours (I don't know which you are arguing for) will guarantee that you are the only person in the room wearing pink.

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I don't care seriously if I'm the only one in pink. Since you couldn't bother to read my other posts, I'm for a filter for ppl to block other ppl's glamour. The arguments previously were immersion in the game, individuality, freedom of expression to which I've commented/ replied to, you missed.
Immersion is solely dependent on the individual player. To that end why, would it matter to others what another individual chose their immersion in the game to be? In my game most players are just filler making my Eorzea look full.
Individuality, well it's not individuality if there are tons of other players that look the same.
Freedom of expression. Fine. Continue to glamour away because I will.
It would not affect sales of glamour one way or another because the players that live by "Glamour is true end game" are the ones that glamour is important to and we will continue.
The claim that is would be a wasted resource, I point out the capability is there to block glamour. The fact it's a solo instance that I used for my example doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by CelestePinke

The claim that is would be a wasted resource, I point out the capability is there to block glamour. The fact it's a solo instance that I used for my example doesn't matter.

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It does matter actually, because we haven't seen the system working "live" in the game world with other characters present, so we can't say for certain that it's built to work like that.

All we've seen is instances where we are taken out of the main game world and dropped into a unique instance where what appears to be our character is dressed in a different outfit, then returned to the overall game where we are still in the outfit we started with.

From a story standpoint, of course it's our character from start to finish.

From a game programming standpoint, the character in the instance could be just a copy of our main character model, pulled away to have new glamours applied to the outfit, then discarded once the scene is over, because (speculatively) now it has different glamours and the game has no way of restoring your old ones.

It might not be our character any more than Odin taking on the face of the last player to defeat him means he actually is that character.

We can't know how it works for sure, but we haven't clearly seen a filter system at work.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

I see your point about the two. I just always found it hard to believe that people who care so much about immersion, would not care about the lore and the story of said world. The two go hand and hand to help you feel lost in said world. But i guess that is not the case for everyone.

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I know a lot of people who love Star Wars, but who are demonstrably not willing to engage in a 45-minute-long discussion with me of lore minutia from Clone Wars and Rebels. Or the various tie-in novels for the new continuity.

*sadface*

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

What "counter" reason would you have beyond "revenge"? First of all lots of the people who hate this idea mainly hate it because they don't like the idea someone could be not seeing them as they displayed. you solidify that fact and give them a target and you are pretty much inspiring retaliation. Now if you truly do not wish to party/adventure with those people I would accept a "auto blacklist" everyone who has it enabled so they never end up in your parties so you wouldn't be subjected to what you might consider targeted censoring. If you don't wish to interact with them fine, but painting targets on them is very vindictive.

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I'm just saying what's wrong with both having the choice? It's kindof unfair that one side gets to do something while the other one has no say on the matter. I think it'll be the only way to do it without breaking the playerbase into a mad tissy. Beside what would be wrong with the option? Maybe because I don't care either way I don't see it in a bad light. I feel like if people get that option to block glams then other people should know, so either an icon or something so other people have a choice too. Again, from the outburst of this thread there's clearly people on both sides, so lets make them both happy instead of just one side. Tho honestly this thread proves why this will never be a thing anyway so all we're doing is going back and fourth with no middle being reached. On that front... I'm hungry? Pizza?

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

I'm just saying what's wrong with both having the choice? It's kindof unfair that one side gets to do something while the other one has no say on the matter. I think it'll be the only way to do it without breaking the playerbase into a mad tissy. Beside what would be wrong with the option? Maybe because I don't care either way I don't see it in a bad light. I feel like if people get that option to block glams then other people should know, so either an icon or something so other people have a choice too. Again, from the outburst of this thread there's clearly people on both sides, so lets make them both happy instead of just one side. Tho honestly this thread proves why this will never be a thing anyway so all we're doing is going back and fourth with no middle being reached. On that front... I'm hungry? Pizza?

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The problem being your solution makes one side happy and the other side VERY unhappy and provides a target for that unhappiness. People have expressed a LOT of concern with knowing that people were blocking them as in just thinking about the possibility was distressing. My proposition to allow people to filter out glamour/gear normalizers as partymembers would give them the option to avoid a potentially distressing situation for them. There is no reason to enable targeting for harassment like that.

Just because the topic is a hot button doesn't mean it's impossible to work out.. but people will need to discuss rather than react with emotion and outrage. We've actually made a few inches of progress toward an "acceptable" system so far that I have read and participated in:


People don't want their character in another glamour than they've chosen (or in screenshots) : Solution make the toggle use a generic race/gender/job placeholder and possibly a stand in name (initials or randomly generated name)

People don't want others to show them in mismatched outfits or skimpy outfits: Solution use level appropriate AF or carefully cultivated replacement job sets.

People don't like the idea of being replaced at all : solution, add them to a sort of blacklist where the characters will not interact in anyway, both will be invisible to each other and unable to interact or be matched in parties.



In the myriad arguments over whether it's canon or lore or bigoted or intolerant there have been actual solutions that both sides find acceptable proposed.



I unfortunately am starting to get tubby, so I'm gonna need to lay off pizza for a while. It's broccoli and lean steak for me tonight.

I honestly haven't seen a tank in a string bikini or a now men in wedding dresses.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I know a lot of people who love Star Wars, but who are demonstrably not willing to engage in a 45-minute-long discussion with me of lore minutia from Clone Wars and Rebels. Or the various tie-in novels for the new continuity.

*sadface*

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I wish you were in my FC/Server