What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

How did Elidibus and Zodiark saved us exactly? You mean when Zodiark averted the 1st Final Days? I suppose so yeah, but their long lasting solution for sacrificing and trying to salvage the old world wasnt gonna help the star lasting very long, especially when we saw the cracks of their "paradise" eventually leading to the same outcome as the people's from the 3rd area in the Dead Ends. It was a debate amongst gods pretty much and this is where whether Venat was in the right to sunder the world or not ends for me as we now have 13 shards filled with life and civilization. Elidibus and the Ascians wanted to extinguish all life from the 13 shards to try to resurrect their failed world and that to me is extremely irresponsible and unfair to the new life that now flourishes in those shards.

Even then the story later painted the unsundered Ascians in less of a negative light anyway, I mean just see how much praise we get for Emet-Selch despite the fact that he contributed to a lot of genocide with his buddies. Its easier to antagonize a group of people actively trying to kill you.

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Elidibus is the one who sent us back in time in the first place. Without him Venat’s plan wouldn’t exist, hence the time travel shenanigans. Had Venat told them the truth, there is the possibility they could have averted the final days entirely. Venat even had Meteion tagged, she had her location! There isn’t anything factual stating the ancients would have been heading for the dead ends, that’s what Venat thought would happen, not what might have actually happened. Unfortunately we’ll never know because she lost hope in her people.

As for the shards, keep in mind, due to the sundering peoples lives were incredibly shortened, that’s a lot of death on hydaelyn’s hands, deaths that continue to this day. While yes, the calamities caused a lot of death again, it’s something hydaelyn’s plan relied upon. She needed emet and co to initiate said calamities otherwise who knows what would happen, she needed everything to happen exactly the way the WoL told her. That’s why a lot of people find her plan flawed.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Who would be part of this hypothetical 'all', exactly? I simply ask because it isn't the first time I've seen an insinuation of some hypothetical group existing to discuss the same topic across multiple threads.

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The same handful people who play out these discussion is what I’m referring to. I’d even include myself.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Furthermore, just because a particular discussion may have become tiresome for you it doesn't necessarily mean that everybody else has to feel the same way - or that they're wrong or posting in bad faith for...pointing out their concerns with the quality of the writing surrounding Venat?

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Then make a thread. Or use the other threads already made for that.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I also have to raise an eyebrow at anyone who frequents the lore forum taking issue with repetition when a not insignificant number of Venat enthusiasts spent years derailing threads and attacking people for liking either the Garleans or the Ascians.

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If you’d like to point out a post whether I attacked someone for liking Garlemald or the Ascians then I’d be happy to discuss my personal statements.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I can personally attest to many attempts to simply take the 'agree to disagree' approach with various posters, yourself included. If you do not wish to engage with particular posters, then that's your right - but I must confess to not seeing much benefit in fly by comments every time someone brings up Venat and calls her out for the horrific genocide that she inflicted on so many innocents.

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This is bait.

I thought this thread was about the housing issues but I see the same six people have turned it into another argument about hydaelyn. You guys have been going in circles over this stuff for months now, doesn't it get boring?

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I thought this thread was about the housing issues but I see the same six people have turned it into another argument about hydaelyn. You guys have been going in circles over this stuff for months now, doesn't it get boring?

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We were about to move on until someone decided to be terribly snarky and push it further. A little like you're doing, actually.

Ultimately, I do agree. Let's let the lore rest in the lore forums and tackle the VERY salient gameplay issues. I can't story skip Hrothgar ears, after all.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I thought this thread was about the housing issues but I see the same six people have turned it into another argument about hydaelyn. You guys have been going in circles over this stuff for months now, doesn't it get boring?

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Oh yeah it does.

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Originally Posted by BrokentoothMarch

We were about to move on until someone decided to be terribly snarky and push it further. A little like you're doing, actually.

Ultimately, I do agree. Let's let the lore rest in the lore forums and tackle the VERY salient gameplay issues. I can't story skip Hrothgar ears, after all.

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Still a bit surprised the ears made it past QA. That seemed like a clear controversy in the making.

I would say that the game is more likely to go in the direction of the World of Plenty. I think I can spot some of the people who made half of these funny tags sitting on the benches in their nice white robes gazing longingly toward Yoshida's warm glow...

And none of them have ears...

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Originally Posted by Skyborne

I would say that the game is more likely to go in the direction of the World of Plenty. I think I can spot some of the people who made half of these funny tags sitting on the benches in their nice white robes gazing longingly toward Yoshida's warm glow...

And none of them have ears...

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Speaking of, actually, I recall a big problem apparently being that the ears are attached to the head model of Hrothgar, but supposedly some people who dug into the resources found this to be untrue? Unless I'm misremembering the limitations. Honestly, either way, it's getting harder and harder not to compare Hrothgar in XIV and Charr from GW2 and wonder why one can handle it so much easier than the other.

That's a legitimate question. I'm very curious.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Elidibus is the one who sent us back in time in the first place. Without him Venat’s plan wouldn’t exist, hence the time travel shenanigans. Had Venat told them the truth, there is the possibility they could have averted the final days entirely. Venat even had Meteion tagged, she had her location! There isn’t anything factual stating the ancients would have been heading for the dead ends, that’s what Venat thought would happen, not what might have actually happened. Unfortunately we’ll never know because she lost hope in her people.

As for the shards, keep in mind, due to the sundering peoples lives were incredibly shortened, that’s a lot of death on hydaelyn’s hands, deaths that continue to this day. While yes, the calamities caused a lot of death again, it’s something hydaelyn’s plan relied upon. She needed emet and co to initiate said calamities otherwise who knows what would happen, she needed everything to happen exactly the way the WoL told her. That’s why a lot of people find her plan flawed.

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I mean did you not see how delusional the Convocation acted when they ignored her? Granted they were under a crisis but they didnt even try to reason anymore with their statements of preserving their "perfect paradise with no pain nor suffering". I'm sorry but those are huge red flags for me, and it was clear that the Ancients were very much flawed or well ok thats not fair for me to generalize the whole group,but it seems like their leaders anyway.

Honestly Im still trying to figure out why the LL gave such odd explanations to the story that contradicted what was shown in-game with what Venat did, because if you ignored what they said on the spot with them explaining the lore yeah, it makes no sense and its an overall mess. Part of me wants to doubt those statements because then we're traversing into WoW levels of lore inconsistency and having to read outside material to understand it. I guess we'll have to wait if a future lore book confirms those statements made in the LL or not.

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Originally Posted by BrokentoothMarch

We were about to move on until someone decided to be terribly snarky and push it further.

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Right, sure you were. That's why the discussion about her is still going on after the snarky posts.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

Right, sure you were. That's why the discussion about her is still going on after the snarky posts.

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I literally stopped talking to her a while ago. Why must you people make this so difficult. I'm done with you too. I'm genuinely trying to put things back on track here and you're just derailing further. Silenced too.