The MSQ Endwalker Trial Bosses are WAY too hard for newer players to FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

The pre-Endwalker game has also one problem, that if you have enemy contact, then you always solve it via killing the enemies. Endwalker is the first expansion, where there are some missions, which you can only solve by avoiding enemies.

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Stormblood had a quest in Kugane where we had to cross the city while dodging Sekiseigumi patrols.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Stormblood had a quest in Kugane where we had to cross the city while dodging Sekiseigumi patrols.

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Really? OK, i do not remember. But if so, it was one quest. In Endwalker there are more quests like this. :)



Cheers

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Mmm, it ultimately depends. “First time” won’t excuse a player in higher level content that doesn’t know their rotation or who is partially AFK. The most it can really excuse is deaths and mechanical errors. I’m fairly patient when it comes to people who say they are new to a dungeon or alliance raid or whatever—as long as I can see that they are trying. But I have had people say “first time”, and then proceed to barely do anything. AFK healers jumping in place or running back and forth for extended periods of time, DPS or tanks basically auto-attacking and not even doing a rotation. Heck, I’ve even had tanks in dungeons not even tank, and instead the DPS and healer do most of the tanking.

“First time” only excuses so much. It’s not a 100% bad performance pass.

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I simply don't define being partially AFK and not trying as "bad performance." To me bad performance is as you said - someone trying but failing for whatever reason.

To me being semi-AFK and lazy by practically only auto-attacking and refusing to move is just "leeching" and one of the few reasons I'd vote-kick someone.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

There's not a single thing in this game during the MSQ that is difficult.



It was executed just fine. I don't understand what people found so difficult about it.

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For me it was simply the weird placement of the red-dot-line borders, and it was not intuitive where to go; We started in the east side of town.. if the goal was to get out ASAP, I would have wanted to just exit the east side and skirt the outside of the city where the mobs were least dense. It did not make sense to have to go into the heart of the city and derp around fixing a reaper to blow up a hoard when I should have easily been able to just slip between buildings.

Again, not that it was difficult, it was just..derp.

All the need to do for me was (as I said earlier) remove all the dotted line barriers really. They could force me to move in some direction by simply putting impossible amounts of monsters, or just one of those big robots blocking the way.

Alternatively, they could have introduced the reaper at the start as the objective, then had us explore to find the parts. I was pretty good at avoiding monsters, so I didn't take chances messing with broken robots for med kits or whatever. By the time I got the the reaper, I had to backtrack significantly to find the fuel tank or whatever.

The real icing on the cake was the quicktime event at the very end. My wife thought she was done with it when it faded to black, then "REady!?" She was talking to me about the mission and by the time she realized there was a quick time she panicked and failed it. So.. she had to redo the whole thing.

The actual concept was good, the actual mechanics were fine. But it was horribly designed.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I simply don't define being partially AFK and not trying as "bad performance." To me bad performance is as you said - someone trying but failing for whatever reason.

To me being semi-AFK and lazy by practically only auto-attacking and refusing to move is just "leeching" and one of the few reasons I'd vote-kick someone.

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It's still bad performance.

Play how you want to play, if something makes you want to quit, quit.
It's a simple statement, and can come across crass to some, but as much as I want everyone and their grandma to experience this amazing story, it is still a game.
A game that values your time and respects your efforts, would you not respect the game in turn?
By not getting frustrated or disheartened at every little challenge the game throws at you?
If the answer to this is no, then with the most kindest words I can muster: please try a different game, one that fits your playstyle.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

83 levels filled with "Speak with Alphinaud"?
That's some amazing experience right there.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

Seriously, I'd be fine with a boss you can just oneshot. Better yet, put a button there to skip the fight, watch a cutscene,. problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

Some people play this like an interactive movie or book, and why not?
Seriously, this is treading on "you have to play the game the way I say" territory.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

The problem here is that, if you cannot finish this expansion, any future content will be barred, too. That means you effectively kick people out of the game. To what end, to make people happy who find it too easy? Make Extreme trials. Funny, they're already doing that, and another level above that even, for those who still find it too easy. So what's the problem? Make story-mode easy.

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While it is not OP, but a very responsive prominent person on this thread:
These are common takes from some one who is playing a game outside their play-style.
Watch a movie. You are not a player, you are an audience. Watch a Let'sPlay series.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Again, by your standards.

I maintain - the fact that you find them easy doesn't suggest that everyone should.

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And I maintain the fact that just because someone finds something difficult, doesn't make it actually difficult or need to be touched.

A reminder that the 4.1 solo mission, when it released, was complained about here by multiple players for being far too difficult of an encounter. And it was made worse by the fact that the echo did nothing. For some players, that was their road block, and they were not going to get passed it and demanded Square nerf the fight or else they would quit the game.

This solo mission... required a single button press. That's it. It had a dps check of 0. I know. I cleared it literally never attacking. It simply asked you to click a glowy button on your screen. There were ffxiv players that found that difficult. Would the correct response there be to weaken down said thing because some players couldn't manage a single button press? No, because in this scenario, that would mean you'd LITERALLY afk the solo mission. So Square left it alone. And surprise, people got by it, or, well... quit, apparently.

We don't have to make things easier just because somebody complained. There are times where they kind of make a point, Steps of Faith, as much as I hate how hard that was nerfed, did have a point that missing a single dragonkiller meant you were now waiting 15 minutes to wipe wasn't exactly fun. Did they have to go super ham on the boss's hp to where you needed none of them at all? No, personal opinion, but it still had at least a form of argument of "This is the first time you toy with this and failing once = super delayed wipe". We don't have things like that here now after that (unless your WAR just refuses to die, but that's not square coding doing that).

I can only imagine how some of these people would've reacted to on-release Shinryu, lmao. Zodiark is kinda tough for a main story trial (as tough as someone as good as me can find it, at least), but there are plenty of trials out there that were even worse for the playerbase at large. It's nothing new.

nop its a game not a hold your hand while making you feel special about a title or mount or some glowly weapon it suppose to be hard as hell to challange you

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Originally Posted by Nekokaori

nop its a game not a hold your hand while making you feel special about a title or mount or some glowly weapon it suppose to be hard as hell to challange you

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Which endwalker MSQ trial drops a glowy weapon or a mount?