Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The difference being though is that in allowing something like the sundering to stay, you’re causing more death in the long run than would be caused by rejoinings. So it’s a matter of, do we just allow that to happen and allow more death to be caused, or let the rejoining happen, have people be rejoined to their original selves, the world becomes stable again and there’s less death overall.

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Natural old age death which is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Minus the extreme punishment, one of the few Amaurotine sidequests from which we can grasp their culture has us being told off for daring to wear something other than the communal robes.



It sounds more like "everyone will regard you as incredibly rude and/or an idiot if you don't follow the social rules" than "we will actively punish you for not complying", but there is definitely societal pressure to conform in appearance even if they are free to express themselves in other ways.

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This seems like a really weird assumption. The way they word it on other languages is that they overall don’t care, but it’s something that might take the attention of others which could be a problem/pose a danger(with the way their creation magicks work.) The short story even mentions that Hades i believe never really followed that rule anyways. Don’t really see where you’re getting “you’ll be seen as an idiot” from.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This seems like a really weird assumption. The way they word it on other languages is that they overall don’t care, but it’s something that might take the attention of others which could be a problem/pose a danger(with the way their creation magicks work.) The short story even mentions that Hades i believe never really followed that rule anyways. Don’t really see where you’re getting “you’ll be seen as an idiot” from.

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The guy in the quote just told us that "to delight in disparity [i.e. difference] is a mark of the morally deficient". They might not try to stop you from dressing as you want if you insist, but they don't sound like anyone is going to approve of it.

I'm not sure where you're getting that about Hades either. The Through His Eyes story specifies that his mask is the only unique thing that he is wearing.

Though it does make sense from a practical standpoint if dressing plainly means less risk of distraction while Creating.

I kinda wonder if Azem not only took on their role to protect people but also to have a reason to travel all over the world, throwing away their robes as soon as they were beyond Amaurotes border, revealing their beautiful pig costume underneath it. And in the background Hades just groaned in pure dispair.

Anyways I like the side quest and the little speech bubbles in Amaurot. It made it quite obvious that they were not perfect. (And of course the Ancient ones did not deserve to die. If there would be a way to bring some of them back without sacrifice I would have nothing against trying that)

It's such an obvious repression metaphor. I mean, really. Like, wowza.

Everyone's basically pressured into looking and acting the same, and while they all superficially attest to open freedom of expression, the very nature of their society constrains it to within certain "acceptable" bounds. And then Hydaelyn comes and splits the world in such a way that people can no longer hide who they really are, and the few survivors of the past age go on a rampage and lament the "good old days" when they weren't constantly confronted with the differences of others. Like all of that was acceptable, of course, but only when they didn't have to think about it.

Not that Oda and Ishikawa intended it that way, per se, ("Death of the Author" is a thing), but the work's overall stance on which world was better has been pretty clear since that first roundtable with Varis.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I kinda wonder if Azem not only took on their role to protect people but also to have a reason to travel all over the world, throwing away their robes as soon as they were beyond Amaurotes border, revealing their beautiful pig costume underneath it. And in the background Hades just groaned in pure dispair.

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I can just picture the face he'd be making at us, too.

And then we skid back into the Convocation meeting at the last moment, mask askew and with a daisy chain over our hood, handing out souvenirs.

Probably while Hades does his best to sink into the floor.

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

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Yes, it’s forgotten to time because a certain someone intended it to be forgotten about(see:Elidibus’ monologue regarding this). The rejoining does matter, because you’re completely disregarding the sundering isn’t normal. The sundered are all fractured souls of an original soul, scattered about 14 times. All this does is multiply the amount of death there is to begin with. There’s a lot of “i think’s” coming from this which just sounds like really random, personal headcanon. The problem is that for as incomplete the sundered are, they exist at the expense of the Ancients. There is more death being caused by the sundering being able to still be a thing, than for a rejoining. What about the pain and torment caused to the original souls that were fractured without a say in the matter and forgot who they were and who their loved ones were hm?

As for Yuella, the sundered’s old age death isn’t natural. You ought to remember that. The sundered beings and the sundering isn’t a natural occurrence. People need to remember this is a fantasy game setting, not real life. It’s natural to us from an irl perspective but in game perspective it’s not. The sundering was a disastrous event that resulted in incomplete fractured beings to be made much weaker/frail and scattered across 14 worlds. That isn’t natural.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I kinda wonder if Azem not only took on their role to protect people but also to have a reason to travel all over the world, throwing away their robes as soon as they were beyond Amaurotes border, revealing their beautiful pig costume underneath it. And in the background Hades just groaned in pure dispair.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I can just picture the face he'd be making at us, too.

And then we skid back into the Convocation meeting at the last moment, mask askew and with a daisy chain over our hood, handing out souvenirs.

Probably while Hades does his best to sink into the floor.

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Man, I want flashbacks of this. XD (Echo visions? w/e)

I could picture Azem coming back in a different outfit and with a different weapon every time, with Hades constantly bemoaning, "What are you wearing now?" with Hythlodaeus asking constant questions about the culture, outfit and whatnot. With Hades telling Hythlodaeus not to encourage Azem in this foolishness.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

It's such an obvious repression metaphor. I mean, really. Like, wowza.

Everyone's basically pressured into looking and acting the same, and while they all superficially attest to open freedom of expression, the very nature of their society constrains it to within certain "acceptable" bounds. And then Hydaelyn comes and splits the world in such a way that people can no longer hide who they really are, and the few survivors of the past age go on a rampage and lament the "good old days" when they weren't constantly confronted with the differences of others. Like all of that was acceptable, of course, but only when they didn't have to think about it.

Not that Oda and Ishikawa intended it that way, per se, ("Death of the Author" is a thing), but the work's overall stance on which world was better has been pretty clear since that first roundtable with Varis.

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I mean the devs confirm themselves the sundering was bad and made the world unstable. So im more inclined to believe the Ancient world was better when we have actual proof of lore and dev statements to back it up. It's not like we have to go through many mental gymnastics though to come to that conclusion.