What jobs are we hoping to see in the next expansion?

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Originally Posted by Deathrose88

exactly as shurrikhan says is what I'm worried about when we talk about making dancer a healer.... in theory it may work but will it be the best fit for the job? It's also like we were considering possible making samurai a tank... could it have been done? Sure.... but is it the best fit for the job?... no it's not and thus it ended up being a cool dps. I really don't feel dancer's place is as a healer no matter how much people may want it to be so.... I hope the dev team heeds our words and see the logic in why dancer and all it's uniqueness fits far better as a dps than it ever will as a healer.

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I for one, am not inclined to believe that a job has to be made into a DPS job to be interesting. Maybe that is not the direct statement being made, but it is the impression that is given off when we speak of where a job 'fits', which is subjective to the preferred playstyle of the person that wants it in the game.

The devs can't just keep adding DPS job to the game because they can't figure out how to implement a truly different and diverse healer and tank. Between the last two expansions, DPS jobs were increased by three, while healers and tanks got one a piece. Even though I think the split is pretty even-steven between healer and DPS mains, I think the cries will be louder heard from those who want to heal with this job if it is not made so.

I can say this though, I would sure hate to be the guy that has to make that call.

Well answer me this.... normally healers are able to throw out heals at command via their cure I cure II spells ( not including OGCD) even if we let dancer melee to heal.... you really think something like that will stand in something like savage where your heals can't be bound to a completed combo? It just feels like a disaster in the making a shadow of what dancer can really be if we focus on the martial art of the job. As I mentioned before I am with you that healers and tanks (imo healers moreso) need something more engaging.... healing as it is now is snoresvill even when you are trying to maximize dps on top of it. They need something fresh, but this would be like trying to make bard healer.

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Originally Posted by Deathrose88

Well answer me this.... normally healers are able to throw out heals at command via their cure I cure II spells ( not including OGCD) even if we let dancer melee to heal.... you really think something like that will stand in something like savage where your heals can't be bound to a completed combo? It just feels like a disaster in the making a shadow of what dancer can really be if we focus on the martial art of the job. As I mentioned before I am with you that healers and tanks (imo healers moreso) need something more engaging.... healing as it is now is snoresvill even when you are trying to maximize dps on top of it. They need something fresh, but this would be like trying to make bard healer.

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Even if DNC is broken upon release, the devs will fix it.

The consensus for healer optimization is already "DPS until you have to heal". This is absolute in all group content from dungeons to savage, and applies to all of our current healers. Mitigative abilities via shields is more advanced healing that requires SCHs and noct ASTs to know fights and/or be very familiar with mechanics if they don't. The game's optimal healers already put this into practice. They are all ripe for a more intricate and sophisticated DPS gimmick that brings something new to the table. Trust me, a conceived worst case scenario where the job is only 'good enough' to be in savage is actually better than a more likely scenario of the job being just 'good enough' to keep raids healed while pumping out more DPS than any other healer. This will boot all other healers right out of savage.

I will not argue that the devs will have far more flexibility with the design of DNC if they chose to make it a DPS. However, such is true for any job they introduce into the game. That kind of flexibility basically gives them the ability to design DNC anyway they want to and make it a plug 'n play. This dev team was once challenged with rebooting FFXIV from the ground up. They did it. An unfortunate coincidence of this success are high expectations to overcome additional challenges in the future. That is the challenge they have with the DNC job, and they know it.

The devs boxed themselves in a corner. I believe they knew this when many people mistook Lysa as being a DNC with the 4.0 teasers. Hell, they even admit it in her minion description. They inadvertently rose the demand for DNC to be in the game, but since no new healer came with 4.0, the pressure to make DNC a healer is far greater than to make it a DPS. Then add the aforementioned challenge of doing so. The silver lining is DNC actually has the potential to bring something new to the healing community, while pushing DPS players wanting to give their go at healing more rewarding incentive to do so. It is a VERY good thing and in the devs best interest to incentivize the other roles so that the even the most dedicated will waver and leave their comfort zones to give them a go.

I think dancer would be cool with a 'build your own oGCD' gimmick, created through a par of pseudo dark arts style abilities.

Samba: saves next 'dance step', additional effect: HP leech.
Waltz: saves next 'dance step', additional effect: shield.

You have your standard ST heal, regen, AoE heal abilities on GCD, your samba and waltz as rapid oGCD abilities, your job gauge is the dance gauge. Dance gauge memorizes the last 3 moves committed to it with samba and waltz and merges them into a big oGCD "dance" move.

So using "Waltz, ST heal, Samba, ST heal, Samba, AoE heal", would create a dance that has a medium strength ST instant heal (the 2 ST heals) with a weak AoE heal (the 1 AoE heal), secondary effects would be a weak shield on the target (using waltz to save 1 of the cures), a weak HP steal effect on the target (using samba to save the other ST cure) and a weak HP steal effect granted to everyone caught in the AoE heal (samba to save the AoE heal.)

Maybe, I don't know, seems a bit complicated reading it back. Felt like it would flow better when I thought of it.

tl;dr using samba or waltz, save 3 GCD abilities to dance gauge, use "dance" ability to throw all 3 saved abilities plus additional effects out at once.

i always figure if dancer was a thing it would have something similar to Mudras (just not as laggy) for its heals
maybe in away you can store the effect of the spell instead of frantically dancing up your spell in a panic .

But a higher percentage of people that wanted Dancer have wanted it to be a healer (myself included). We have enough dps for the next few expansions and healers are A) often bored and B) asked to dps so having Dancer as a damage dealing kind of healer may solve those 2
I guess they would need to be very careful going that route however as it could take away from the existing healers and the outcries if it ends up doing more damage then dps jobs so balance will be needed.
As others have said it may be bad at the beginning but would get fixed.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I want a Dancer, a real Dancer -- not just in any XI traditional sense but in terms of every ounce of fun you can milk out of every concept, combat, lore, animation, quirks, and tangential elements to each, from the idea of a dancer. But without something in class design and how it's perceived budging beforehand -- which I want regardless of Dancer being added or not -- I honestly feel like being a supportive DPS akin to a Bard or Ninja will at least cut out fewer of its unique and interesting mechanics than would, say, a healer.

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So you think because Dancer might not be a DPS it won't be a real Dancer? There is only one prerequisite for a Dancer and that is that they must be dancing as much as possible and just because it might become a healer doesn't mean they won't be doing their specialty. Honestly I feel DPS players need to get out of their bubble and be enticed to try the healer and tanking roles. And by adding popular jobs to these roles it helps. Now, about Square Enix being afraid to do anything unique with their healers or tank perhaps that's true, but eventually they will have to try something new since they cannot continue to copy and paste healer or tank jobs or they will just end up alienating their tank and healer players causing even a bigger problem.

i think all are possible, but you know, they need some story and place they are coming from... i think its more complex :P im more for weather mage :D

I am hoping for Morpher as a DPS class and Blue mage or some kind of Magic tank

Really hoping for a new healer and tank jobs. Specifically Dancer. But I wouldnt be surprised if it was 2 new dps jobs. But if they do add 2 new dps jobs then they will need another incentive for people who play tank and healer jobs.