"You can't run out of MP" is overstating it somewhat. In normal play, it's mostly true. But if you die and then have to raise 5 people, it gets ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maystar05
Put my WHM on a fight like O8N and it can go on for 20 minutes with me flinging rocks every free GCD, and I won't run out of MP. Lucid and Thin Air are just that good. Bonus points if there's Mana Shift coming. :D
What is this new anti dps healer attitude?
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03-09-2018, 04:37 AMTridus
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03-09-2018, 05:33 AMSelovaSo to sum it up, You are unable to adapt to gameplay changes in a completely different MMO with completely different game mechanics, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights
Also the removal of a death penalty has nothing to do with Wow, games and players change over time, it's not the fault of one mmo, I personally think people like to give Wow way too much credit.
Your last point makes zero sense. Do you seriously think that people dying due to mistakes in Eureka is somehow going to cause them to reflect about whether healers should dps or Not? No they aren't.
Honestly you're just coming off as a delusional tryhard that can't adjust to changes because this isn't your precious FF11. Seriously, grow up. -
03-09-2018, 05:50 AMSeseraWell because only bad players don't want healer to dps so they can stand in bad stuff and can die 10 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maystar05
The top pve players have healer doing dps not ones saving their mp so you can stand in shit.
Now if the healer is just here to spam ruin/stone all day and don't do their job that's a different story. -
03-09-2018, 06:06 AMTaleraRistainIt was a lot more common until SB. But with increases to our MP regain ability or abilities like Thin Air that completely negate MP usage, it's a rare time that we run out of MP and get into a bad spot. Even if we get low, our MP regeneration abilities work very quickly and refresh at a good rate. I have to be raising constantly, healing constantly, and adding in some dps to get into a danger area as a WHM. But since it was more common before, I can definitely see how the non-healer perception would view things from that stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maystar05
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03-09-2018, 06:18 AMUrsa_Vonfiebryd
I've seen this a little too. Especially in certain dungeons/content and really only after SB was released. It seems a lot of healers have taken the 'you must DPS or you're shit' attitude to heart and pump out DPS when they are not exactly comfortable or experienced enough to do so, or when in a group that doesn't mitigate their own damage very well... or at all. I had a tank in Bardam's Mettle beg me to heal over dps. I assured them that I prioritize healing and they fell all over themselves in thanks. *shrug* I still DPS'd but that's never my focus as healer. And especially not in that dungeon.
OP, I like that you're taking tanks to task because I've also noticed a distinct lack of defensive CD's in a lot of DF runs, and a particular lack of caution in DPS roles of late. On the flip side, I've seen no complaints about my lack of DPS when I have to focus on healing because of any of the above. It's another one of those 'I play how I want' arguments and if you're keeping your party alive then you're doing your job and no one has room to point fingers.
If you let the tank eat floor or the party wipe because you chose DPS over healing well... not everyone will take that as a teachable moment. Some will probably try to vote kick you, even if you give out solid advice. If people want less DPS from healers to adjust for their own insecurities, fine. But that certainly doesn't mean you have to give them that. -
03-09-2018, 07:31 AMDivinemightsYou can say whatever you want chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selova
This thread exist only because there are people have different believes but some delusional individuals trying to set healer must dps as meta and forced everyone to follow.
You can do whatever you want as long as someone didn't die. -
03-09-2018, 07:39 AMSelovaI find it hilarious that you make claims that other people are delusional when you refuse to adapt to the reality that healer dps is a intended part of the game design and is expected of you in endgame content. Keep living I your little bubble though I'm sure it will get you far, champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights
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03-09-2018, 07:44 AMSquintinaBased on my experience, the delusional individuals would be the players that insist healers should only heal. (BTW I main a healer and have done so in every Trinity MMO I ever played).Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights
Like even in Wow, once we got good enough for a fight that our raid didn't need as many heals, I would throw out some attacks here and there depending on my mana. The idea of helping your party with whatever means necessary is not new nor is it specific to healers. It might be more noticeable in this game because the damage is so high and mp management is easier, but it is by no means exclusive to this game only.
To illustrate just how ridiculous this delusion that "healers should only heal" have, let's point out the following:
By that logic, I should NEVER use chain strategem for my party. After all, it increases party DPS but not my heals.
By that logic, AST cards should be only be used on oneself and not the party. Royal road an Ewer? Nope, that's my MP, I need it for healing. Giving a crit card on a BRD? Nope, I can use that crit to do more crit heals. All cards are for me, except Spire, but that'll make an AOE RR with 50% potency which means it'll decrease how much healing benefit the next card gives me...so I won't RR that, I'll just discard it. Because healers heal.
By that logic, a SMN or RDM should never rez or physick/vercure a person, and a BLM should never manaward, and the other DPS should never Second Wind. They're DPS dammit and that's all that, who cares if maybe one of the healers died or they're out of range.
By that logic, a BLM (or SMN or RDM) who notices a healer is low on mana should never cast manashift, because that's a loss in dps, a big loss if it's right around when Enochian is about to go off.
By that logic, the other DPS should never use Diversion. They're there to DPS dammit and the tank just needs to put out more enmity.
By that logic, a PLD should never use Clemency. That's a healing skill. Healing's for healers.
By that logic, no tanks should ever use mitigation CD. The job of a tank is to keep aggro and take on damage. It is not necessary to reduce said damage, that's for the healers to deal with.
By that logic, DPS and tanks should never bother dodging a non-lethal avoidable AOE. If they don't die, they can keep dealing damage and the healers will just heal. It doesn't matter whether it's to 50% or 20%. As long as it's not 0, don't dodge. Their job is to attack (DPS) and get Enmity (tank) which they can do more of if they don't dodge non-lethal attacks.
No one is advocating for healers that dps so much they let people get so low they're about to die. Those are just called bad healers, and to vilify ALL healer dps because of it is just ridiculous. There is a time to dps and people have to learn it, just like the tanks and DPS learned a time to use skills not required for their roles.
And honestly we need to give our tanks and dps more credit for helping us healers out in fights, but that's a discussion for another day. -
03-09-2018, 07:45 AMDivinemightsOh don't worry for me, I am doing pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selova
Like I said, you can do whatever you want as long as someone didn't not die because you want to cast an offensive spell. -
03-09-2018, 07:51 AMSelovaI mean if you are somehow satisfied with intentionally bring s hindrance to your groups because you can't adapt to reality more power to you I guess. I do feel bad for any groups thst gets you as a healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights