Confused about people's obsession with open world raids/dungeons.

You must be grasping for straws if you're going after typos.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Botting SW and DI was actually a much bigger advantage then mobs like fafhogg and behemoth. For DI/SW you used scanner, APradar and clipper. Scanner would scan the zone you were in every other second or so and tell you in LS chat when DI or SW spawned and which zone, then APradar would tell you which direction to run in to get to them immediately when they spawned, and clipper let you run at 800% movement speed so you could get to them and claim them before any none-cheaters even knew they were up.

Any questions?

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On a low pop server you might have gotten away with this but I can tell you from years of experience it rarely ever went unnoticed and unpunished. When the general population talks 'botting' they think in terms of Kings and small zones and that is where the huge majority of botting took place in endgame. Both are inexcusable but you are still, like everyone on this thread keeps telling you, missing the point of what a company should be expected to do/should do/will do to prevent cheating in content.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

ME Me me, (raises hand) pick me....I have a question.

How is it that after all the post to clearify, you still fail to grasp the concept that this is FFXIV?

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It's the same company running both games, how do you fail to realize this? It doesn't matter that one has a V at the end and one doesn't.

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Again, this is FFXIV not FFXI, and we are attepting to influence the developers to make posotive changes in patterns and systems that favor a variey of options from instances to open world choices.

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Your propositions will only lead to the same problems that FFXI has/had. This is a new game, lets do new things to combat botting, on a level that actually works, making them not worth using.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

You appear highly resistant to grasping on to which game this is, and even more resistant to asit in being a posotive influence.

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I'm being a positive influence by pointing out what is going to happen. And you are unable to grasp the concept that it's the same company running both games, and with a decade of failure to act under their belt, why should I believe they suddenly start to care?

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Second question, why do you prefere to be part of the problem in this respect, instead of part of the solution?

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The solution is to implement content that bots cannot block none-botters from enjoying. This is what I am advocating, nothing more. Your resistance to this stance is absurd.

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

On a low pop server you might have gotten away with this but I can tell you from years of experience it rarely ever went unnoticed and unpunished. When the general population talks 'botting' they think in terms of Kings and small zones and that is where the huge majority of botting took place in endgame. Both are inexcusable but you are still, like everyone on this thread keeps telling you, missing the point of what a company should be expected to do/should do/will do to prevent cheating in content.

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I don't expect them to do anything to combat boting and cheating. They never really have in the last 10 years, why do you think they will?

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I don't expect them to do anything to combat boting and cheating. They never really have in the last 10 years, why do you think they will?

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I never said they would enforce anything as of yet and what I expect them to do is not limit their content because of their "track record". New game, semi-new team that is trying their damnedest to make a next-gen mmo for a multi-gamer market. I will give them the benefit of the doubt IF they design content that isn't limited because of cheaters.

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Your propositions will only lead to the same problems that FFXI has/had.

I'm being a positive influence by pointing out what is going to happen.

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You use the same crystal ball to see this future that you did to see that CON would be BLM and THM would be WHM ?

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You use the same crystal ball to see this future that you did to see that CON would be BLM and THM would be WHM ?

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Are you implying I said CON would be BLM and THM would be WHM? Because I never said anything like that. My predictions are based on a decade of SE not caring. What exactly are you basing your beliefs of 'everything will be fine' on?

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Originally Posted by Tango

Seriously stop, I'm starting to think you might cheat.

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i don't think they do. they named off loads of bots for the game and i am sure they have registration codes for each of them.

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What exactly are you basing your beliefs of 'everything will be fine' on?

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I stated no beleifs, what I stated is specifically that we should put the pressure on SE to police the issue of bot to the point that serious boting issues do not exist. I suggest that as a starting point ahead of attempting to pressure them to limit content. Feel free to read my post, they are quit specific on that point.

Your point here is based on conjecture, assumptions, and your lack for whatever reason to solve boting issues of any kind.

I mean your so resistant in this thread to take the side of pressuring them to police boting that it almost appears as if policing boting would adversly effect you.

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Your point here is based on conjecture, assumptions, and your lack for whatever reason to solve boting issues of any kind.

I mean your so resistant in this thread to take the side of pressuring them to police boting that it almost appears as if policing boting would adversly effect you.

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It's not my duty to solve botting problems, it's SE's. And over the last decade theyve proven unable to do so. If basing my ideas on that is conjecture, assumptions and whatever else, then ya, I agree with you. And it's not that it would adversely affect me, it's that SE has proven themselves unable to do anything about it. So I gave up thinking you can convince SE to do anything about it.

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I gave up thinking you can convince SE to do anything about it.

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I have yet to see you on these forums start pushing SE to do anything about it. Hard to give up on something you have not started.

Interesting though that you think taking a stand against boting is not your duty, when you make limiting content and trying to convince other players they are wrong for desireing said content AS your duty.