Please lift glamour restrictions!

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Originally Posted by Anyan

Lol what? XD You guys are the ones telling people what they can or can't wear. The OP is asking for the restriction to be lifted. You know, like all the other things SE has changed due to popular demand.
You might think glamouring class specific gear is where the line is drawn but that's your opinion. There is no reason to get nasty, condescending and an overall a-hole like you have been, not only in this thread but in several others too, just because you disagree with something.

Seriously y'all, this is a GAME! Why the ever loving fudge do you care so much about what other people wear?

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And we're here to make it perfectly clear that it is an opposed idea, not unanimously supported. We aren't telling anyone they can't do anything. We're telling them we agree with the system already put in place for Glamour and that it doesn't need changing.

Because it doesn't, people just need to be more creative rather than screaming that, ahem, not having every possible option is the same as having no options.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

Lol what? XD You guys are the ones telling people what they can or can't wear. The OP is asking for the restriction to be lifted. You know, like all the other things SE has changed due to popular demand.
You might think glamouring class specific gear is where the line is drawn but that's your opinion. There is no reason to get nasty, condescending and an overall a-hole like you have been, not only in this thread but in several others too, just because you disagree with something.

Seriously y'all, this is a GAME! Why the ever loving fudge do you care so much about what other people wear?

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Some people like the consistency in the game. :o Being able to tell jobs apart because they are distinct is one of the things I personally love and I probably wouldn't have picked the game up at all if that distinctness in design wasn't there at all. I hate games where everything is generic because then it becomes a very visually boring game.

The lore of this game comes in two variations: Gameplay explanations and World Building

The latter is the serious and heavy lore of the MSQ, Sidequests and similar. Here the lore is written first, then gameplay is applied

The former is the opposite. Here the gameplay is created first, then an explanation for why that happens comes second.


On the subject of glamour crystals it is definately the former that applies. It was player input that created the system. The rules are therefor more fluid. I get that. It is not lore that makes them unusuable by other jobs.

But as many has stated, the artifact armor is special. It is.. well. an artifact. Yes you could wear them on any job if this was a more realistic setting, but that would diminish the specialness that comes with it. Instead of being an artifact suited for a specific job it just becomes another piece of equipment.

The game needs iconic gear as a means to show how great new players eventually could become. Just remember the iconic DRG artwork. If anyone could equip that whole set without being a DRG that would essentially make it no longer a DRG set, despite obviously looking like the classic DRG's that preceed it.
This would cause confusion among new players. What even is a WAR if the only thing that makes it a WAR is the job stone?

bswpayton, you say that it'll be alright beecause not everyone will equip the whole set. That is untrue, just the option to equip the entire set on a job that isnt made for it devalues it completely. The latter lore example; the world building, is applied to artifact armor. It is there because the lore dictates it. And yes, the job system is explained, albeit very badly, in game. It took me a while before i understood.

tldr: Artifact Armor is special, and if everyone is special, noone is.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

So it only matters if the system is exactly the same as in this game?

Yes, besides cross class abilities (which the sphere grid loosely resembles) we are limited to certain skills/spells depending on our soulstone but what has that to do with glamour?
I get it if we can't actually wear the gear because majyks but we're not actually wearing it, it's just an illusion.
I really, really don't understand why y'all care so much about how other people dress, design and style their characters.

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I don't care how you want to dress your character though you just think I do.

SE decided to make this game follow the job system and have the traditional gear. Yeah, some of the titles don't have it but when they created FFXIV they added it so I wish it to stay that way. It is just about being a fan of the series and wanting to keep a major tradition intact since they decided to make it that way. It's not like I actually enjoy trying to argue against your ideas and desires, it isn't personal. It's just that the game is part of the FF series and it deserves to keep some traditions intact.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

Lol what? XD You guys are the ones telling people what they can or can't wear.

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No...? SE told you what you can and cannot wear/glamour. Not us. Not sure how so many in this thread still say stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

The OP is asking for the restriction to be lifted. You know, like all the other things SE has changed due to popular demand.

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I'm not so sure the demand is popular.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Some people like the consistency in the game. :o

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You keep saying this but when I log into the game I dont see what you are referring to at all. I see a staff, swords, fists , a bow etc, but that's the only form of consistency in the game. The only thing I don't see is casters in metal armor what I'm asking for. But everything else is basically everyone just glaming to their hearts desire, I cant tell what job is what esp if the players doesn,t have their weapons out there is no job identity what so ever compared to other games, with fewer options.

So what would my friend with the snow man hat and the robe on be identified as , what about the people wearing all moogle gear what job is that in the lore. Are those in the pig suits what identity are they, I see people in bikinis and short skirts , and moogle slippers on a daily basis more than I do those with no glamour at all. The only form of true Identity to characters is their main hand weapon and in the pali case their shield. Other than that its to much crazy gear in this game for the type of identity u are referring to. And Im not even on a rp server so I could only image some of the stuff people wear on balmung or other places.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

-snipped-I could only image some of the stuff people wear on balmung or other places.

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You can't argue with people as stubborn as this. You can plead your case but it'd be just as effective as trying to turn Thancred gay.

Though lets use this as an example. Could it happen? If the devs want to cash in on those fujoshi bucks. And we got a loooot of money to spare. Would it be wrong? According to some people's opinions- opinions not facts or going to some religious scriptures! Opinions, answer goes both ways. Would Square profit from it? Maybe, I think it could, but someone will disagree.

And that's all you have to accept, that some will agree, others will disagree and will get as passive aggressive as they possibly can about it because it's a forum. Let's not turn this into another Jump Potion thread where people are still arguing in circles.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

This may explain why none of your arguments make any sense at all to me.
I have never played any of the other Final Fantasy games. I have no desire to play them, and the whole Final Fantasy franchise means nothing to me. I suspect this is true for a large number of other FFXIV players as well.

In my view the identity of jobs lie in their abilities, not their looks. Few players in-game wear their "iconic" gear anyway - suggesting that most don't care for it.

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I really couldn't care less that it means nothing to you. If that is your attitude, why should the devs care about your feelings towards the matter, or even remotely consider lifting the restrictions?

Your view of what defines jobs is just fine. Recognize though that it is not the same as the devs and longtime fans of the franchise. Aesthetics and identity is very important to the iconic jobs of the franchise whether you accept it or not. The world doesn't revolve around you.

I'm fine with lifting glamour restrictions as long as artifact gear remains Job exclusive. I think that's fair.

What I love is you get people saying "DEVs said no already, shut up" then quote like 3-6 words from 3 years ago.

There are many instances where way back when the Devs said things that they have since gone back on. Let's see:

No NE Claws for Monks
No using "DOZE" outside of a house/room.
Personal housing would be cheaper then FC housing
You'll never have to have upkeep actions/cost for housing
PVP will always be GC locked

Shall I go on? If you don't want to glamour everything say it, I respect the ones just being honest and saying so. But those making the "SE said so" argument, it just seems weak to me as they have changed their stances as much as a WAR does in Alex.

Personally my view of this debate is freedom is good, but maybe not with iconic stuff. Though there are a few things I would like to see added to the "all" pile.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Being able to tell jobs apart

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Thank you for being honest in a kind manner. Few use the artifact gear though so the only way you can tell jobs apart is by what weapon they have, and you're able to do that regardless of their gear. I get what you're saying even if I personally don't care.

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Originally Posted by Enur

if everyone is special, noone is.

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Is this were I insert some special snowflake meme?

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Originally Posted by Miste

I don't care how you want to dress your character though you just think I do.
I'm not so sure the demand is popular.

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You kinda are though. You care wether or not I dress my ast with smn gloves glamoured on, don't you? Never claimed the demand was popular. I just pointed out that SE change their minds about some things. If this demand became popular enough I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be willing to lift the restriction.

Honestly, I don't care that much. The only job specific gear I can name on the top of my head that I thoroughly love is the smn set, and I'm able to wear that whenever I play my main job so it doesn't really affect me. But I've never understood people who cares so much about things like traditions. I just don't. I'm not here because I really want this feature, I'm here to say that I'd be totally OK if it got implemented because to me it doesn't matter at all what people wear.

edit: Oh, and if SE came out and said no to being able to glamour the specific job/artifact gear I'd understand that in a way. The restriction between DoW and DoM though is just silly to me.