Lets nerf WAR :D

Pretty much what they're saying is that paladin can clear things at this point, but they severely gimp a group merely due to raid design and several parts of their new kit in comparison to its peers (Warrior, Dark Knight) required to actively participate in progression groups. The highly tuned, dps focused/magic damage based fights are still intensely taxing on paladins, and their new kit does practically nothing to relieve that. On the other hand, warrior was empowered by tossing it solely into the OT niche, able to do high sustained damage for long times and still fulfill its tanking duties. Dark Knight is able to fulfill these roles, solely because savage feels very tailored to dark knight, having good magical mitigation.

Paladins have too many weaknesses, warriors dont have enough, and dark knight has enough to be balanced. The question remains is will the pattern of catering to the strengths of the latter two continue? Will they buff paladin then? Would they nerf warrior? Its interesting speculation, but the certain meta is pretty terrible, I only hope that this style of endgame design changes quickly.

Just coming here to say that Xeno soloed Titan Ex. I'll leave it all to you now to judge.
https://youtu.be/7vs7AVPLjBY

I'll just be here waiting for a DRK or PLD to solo Titan Ex.

The way I see it, real issue is enmity. I dont think anyone think PLD should have exact dmg as WAR. But that gap turns into a canyon due to enmity difference of the two jobs.

PLD to maintain enmity has to constantly use RoH. And often will never apply GB to all targets simply due to the burden of maintaining enmity. WAR on other hand can 100% tank dungeon in DPS stance. That the equivalence of a PLD removing RoH off his hotbar. So I dont think method of reducing WAR potency is the right answer. But instead make it so that WAR is required to jump into tank stance to build up enmity.

Obvious way you do this is to cause Deliverance to reduce all enmity generated. Perhaps even completely removing enmity generation from Fell Cleave and Decimation.

From a design point this makes sense. Deliverance was meant was a complex skill that required you to intelligently stance dance constantly during a fight. Currently thats not the case for most content and WAR permently stays in delieverance. If Healer cant perma stay in Cleric Stance, the same expectation should be put on WAR.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Just coming here to say that Xeno soloed Titan Ex. I'll leave it all to you now to judge.
https://youtu.be/7vs7AVPLjBY

I'll just be here waiting for a DRK or PLD to solo Titan Ex.

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See this would be great if it took some kind of inhuman skill and a special build or something to pull off, but this is none of that. This is straight up a geared Warrior fighting like they would in any other fight. This is simply the result of a job with far too much DPS and survivability in one package.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

See this would be great if it took some kind of inhuman skill and a special build or something to pull off, but this is none of that. This is straight up a geared Warrior fighting like they would in any other fight. This is simply the result of a job with far too much DPS and survivability in one package.

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To its defense though, he defeated it with echo.

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Originally Posted by rawker

To its defense though, he defeated it with echo.

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Indeed, though that just allows this to be done with a lower ilevel threshold. The toolkit is still there if you remove echo, you would just need better gear. Can't really say that about the other classes.

And I don't mean to take away from Xeno doing this. It is still an incredible feat and there was some luck in there for sure. However, what I mean is that this can be easily emulated as well so it's not like this can simply be dismissed as something that only a select few will be capable of doing.

Ladon -_-, please take your war and try to do this in one single try, before you say no skill is involved.
I am a war and i can tell ya he is awesome,
after you can tell war have good dps and good survivability because you can't do this with a pld,, but common don't tell there nos skill involved, just try yourself and tell me how much try you count before make this happen....
To me not every war can make this, just the very good one.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Just coming here to say that Xeno soloed Titan Ex. I'll leave it all to you now to judge.
https://youtu.be/7vs7AVPLjBY

I'll just be here waiting for a DRK or PLD to solo Titan Ex.

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The only reason the other classes can't do that is because of the heal difference.Even then Paladin might stil be able to pull it off all be it a lot slower.This video should seem impressive but it really isn't for many reasons.It's unsynced,The person is in full ilvl200-210 gear.Dunno about jewelry but probbaly melded to hell and back which most of us can't afford.On top of that they had the highest lvl of echo available which is just cheap.If they'd done it unsynced withouth the echo i might have a slight bit of rspect for them as a fellow Warrior.

When myself and 3 other warriors completed Wanderers palace on hard now that was a thing of beauty.It was hard as hell due to the last boss's doom Mechanic.Not to mention it was preheveavensward so no unsync.And we had to have a set time on tank agro rotation.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

The only reason the other classes can't do that is because of the heal difference.Even then Paladin might stil be able to pull it off all be it a lot slower.This video should seem impressive but it really isn't for many reasons.It's unsynced,The person is in full ilvl200-210 gear.Dunno about jewelry but probbaly melded to hell and back which most of us can't afford.On top of that they had the highest lvl of echo available which is just cheap.If they'd done it unsynced withouth the echo i might have a slight bit of rspect for them as a fellow Warrior.

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If my Clemency weren't interrupted whenever Titan farts. What more if he starts to call upon his chicken nuggets brigade.

I dunno if it's even possible for DRK to manage.