WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A BARD IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SING?!

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Originally Posted by Drako

Maybe they aren't using the skills because they weren't asked to.
Hey if your going to require them to ask to use your skills, it's only fair to ask them to use theirs.

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when either of those has a -20% on healing, you can use that argument.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

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That's debatable, because you sometimes have to sacrifice your precious DPS to save others or the whole situation. Having top DPS in a run is pointless if your lack of support causes a wipe. For example, the healer running out of MP, even if he derped it with his MP, they have you to fix that mistake or try to help him.

If the DPS pulls a monster, they have ME to fix that mistake and pull the monster back to me. It's all about teamwork. I, as a BLM, had to stop my DPS to cast Eye for an Eye or Virus if I need to. Heck! I even had to "physick" if the healer dies! I've got stoneskin on my PLD, and I had to spam it on the warrior because the healer died or he ran out of MP. We have utilities and the DPS, even if it's important, it's only part of your role. Being DPS doesn't mean that you have to deal the most damage, but if you see that your class includes some utilities, which are intended for some teamwork, even if you sacrifice some DPS (that means balance), use them.

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Originally Posted by Alcobrum

What is a "big no" is any truth to this statement.

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Yeah I'll remember that next time I do twice as much damage as your crap smn :(

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

My OP was towards paeon's and ballad, I will gladly play foe requiem, as for somethig that hinders my dps while I'm already doing more dps than the other 3 combined, is a big no.

Jobs are given roles, tanking in mmo's has and always be tanking everything and mitigation, you might think it is there just to help but it's apart of it's main role, healing as always been about healing and keeping everyone alive, maintaining that until the win. Dps has and always been to do damage and maintain it.

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A DPS's job being to maintain damage is correct. However, your forgetting what a bard is. A while back (like 5 big updates ago) SE nerfed the bard's damage output in an attempt to get bards to feel more like a utility job rather then a pure damage job. Heck, even a bard's limit break isn't a damage dealing one. The game only has 3 "roles" to label jobs with. It sure as heck isn't a tank or a healer. SE tried (poorly) to make bard more obvious as a support job.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

That's debatable, because you sometimes have to sacrifice your precious DPS to save others or the whole situation. Having top DPS in a run is pointless if your lack of support causes a wipe. For example, the healer running out of MP, even if he derped it with his MP, they have you to fix that mistake or try to help him.

If the DPS pulls a monster, they have ME to fix that mistake and pull the monster back to me. It's all about teamwork. I, as a BLM, had to stop my DPS to cast Eye for an Eye or Virus if I need to. Heck! I even had to "physick" if the healer dies! I've got stoneskin on my PLD, and I had to spam it on the warrior because the healer died or he ran out of MP. We have utilities and the DPS, even if it's important, it's only part of your role. Being DPS doesn't mean that you have to deal the most damage, but if you see that your class includes some utilities, which are intended for some teamwork, even if you sacrifice some DPS (that means balance), use them.

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Yeah but thing is, I'm saying I'm not obligated to play songs, not that I won't, the OP on this thread is trying to say that people shouldn't bard if they don't sing songs but that just isn't true when they're playing a dps role.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Yeah I'll remember that next time I do twice as much damage as your crap smn :(

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You could have potentially prevented a wipe and/or made the healer's job less stressful at a clutch moment, but you had the most DPS! Class utility? Fexibility? Getting the win? Screw those, right? Everyone's dead, but you had the most DPS! Congratulations, that really made the difference!

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Yeah I'll remember that next time I do twice as much damage as your crap smn :(

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You know though, back on topic, these crap summoners can do more damage if you use FOE, so use it, it's your job.

I don't care if a bard never sings.

I do, however, find it extremely annoying when I end up with one of those Legolas bards in my party who think they can solo the entire place. Go ahead and play in your own vacuum then, Legolas.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Yeah but thing is, I'm saying I'm not obligated to play songs, not that I won't, the OP on this thread is trying to say that people shouldn't bard if they don't sing songs but that just isn't true when they're playing a dps role.

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The OP as well mentioned very specific situations where bards should use their songs but they don't. I guess it would be better if the dev team introduces a true archer/ranger class, so you don't have to be tied to this burden. Sadly, as a bard, you'll be asked and obligated to do that, because it's in your utility list and it helps the party. Of course you'll have people requesting you to play songs on pointless situations, I'm aware that it's not all unicorns and rainbows in DF/PF.

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Originally Posted by Darki

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but right now there isn't any support roles yet in duty finder? Right? Until they fix that for bard it'll always be a dps, and I pride myself as being a good damage dealing bard due to my dps, of course I play songs but when it's needed, not when it's magically expected, I'll play foes whenever I can but when you expect a ballad make a macro and ask for it, focusing on dps is a job and it's not soemthing I expect people to understand who don't try to maximize their roles to its absolute potential, as in dps, sorry to sound smart ass