Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

Today i finally had the time to get some Alex normal loot. And i found out INT materia gives +0 :O
What kin of materia should i use on my Rings?

Spell Speed and or crit?
I have sadly not even done new Alex, lol

Guys, during second leyline we can now do

F3 - F4 - F4 - F4 - F4 - B3
is that better than classic F3 - F4 - F4 - fire- F4 - F4 - B3 ?

fire is lower potency but cast time is faster tho so idk how worth it is to add fire

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

Guys, during second leyline we can now do

F3 - F4 - F4 - F4 - F4 - B3
is that better than classic F3 - F4 - F4 - fire- F4 - F4 - B3 ?

fire is lower potency but cast time is faster tho so idk how worth it is to add fire

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Straight up worse. You have 60 seconds-ish of Enochian time. You want to max out the amount of time you're spitting Fire spells. Extra F1's are better than no F1s.

A5S accuracy cap is a little bit above 552, I missed twice out of around 1600 hits (including DoT ticks that cannot miss). I assume 553-555. If it rises by 10 accuracy with each floor like Gordias, we're gonna end up at around 600 accuracy.

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Added F4x4 vs. F4x2 F1 F4x2 maths.

F3 168 2.01
F4 504 2.41
F4 504 2.41
F4 504 2.41
F4 504 2.41
B3 168 2.01
T1 270 2.01
B4 280 2.41
2902 18.08 PPS: 160.5088


F3 168 2.01
F4 504 2.41
F4 504 2.41
F1 324 2.01
F4 504 2.41
F4 504 2.41
B3 168 2.01
T1 270 2.01
B4 280 2.41
3226 20.09 PPS: 160.5774

Keep in mind that this is pure potency calculation and does not calculate rotation time into amount. During Ley Lines, you can actually squeeze in 2 rotations of F4x4 before it expires when you turret, which might result in slightly higher DPS than the usual rotation, but only works when you don't have to move at all. Either way the difference is really small.

thx that's exactly what i was looking for, also you didnt consider the fact that u can always skip thunder during leylines doing 4* F4 rotation, even if u only get one mana tik thats enough mana for 4* F4

Is openners in OP still viable? Been away from the game for a while

PIE BLM feels even more viable than before:
{Please check it.}
As spell speed goes up this will become more flexible. You can probably hit around 900-950 if you minmax for SpS/acc in your gear.

From the description:
406 pie
744 sps
t1 cast aligns your ticks, this wouldn't work before 3.2 because you'd get an mp tick between ending b3 cast and getting UI3 applied
waiting for tick before t1 might be optimal, getting more pie would probably screw you over.
Piety can be done with any 3.2 gear: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/STRB

edit: this is for a continuing rotation, as in Eno falls off after your 20s and you're in UI3. That's why I cast B3 to start. It still works for sharp > f1 > eno > proc > f4 etc though.

Feels good man
http://i.imgur.com/90kx0lF.png

I'm really loving BLM this patch, I couldn't have asked for better changes. Also, I totally disagree that BLM sucks in Sephirot Ex! It's so much fun! :D

1115?

What are you wearing mate?

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

1115?

What are you wearing mate?

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http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/SU0M

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Originally Posted by Lavitz_

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/SU0M

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Gahd! I wish I had enough gil to purchase that Eikon stuff. x.x I am barely at 2.5 mil and everything is 4 mil plus on my server. (Chest piece 8 to 11 mil last I checked. XD) Well looks like ima just have to wait for weekly caps for a bit. lel Still smexy numbers thur!

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Originally Posted by Lavitz_

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/SU0M

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Must be nice. Meanwhile on my server every material for any piece of Eikon set goes for a million or more and the actual gear pieces range from 6 million to 10 million. So I probably won't be able to get it unless I join a Diadem group and farm and sell off Tier 5 materia. Or just not bother.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Must be nice. Meanwhile on my server every material for any piece of Eikon set goes for a million or more and the actual gear pieces range from 6 million to 10 million. So I probably won't be able to get it unless I join a Diadem group and farm and sell off Tier 5 materia. Or just not bother.

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I wouldn't bother unless you can craft them yourself or have a friend who can do it. The crafts are super easy and mats aren't hard to get, but it's the demand keeping the prices so high.

Ive mostly out fitted myself in eikon gear by day two.

Ill buy the primal pants on Tuesday and ill be sitting at around 930 something.

Two eikon pieces should tip the scales easily.

guys, whats the actually secondary stat priority? sps>crit>det?

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Originally Posted by Aloise

PIE BLM feels even more viable than before:
{Please check it.}
As spell speed goes up this will become more flexible. You can probably hit around 900-950 if you minmax for SpS/acc in your gear.

From the description:
406 pie
744 sps
t1 cast aligns your ticks, this wouldn't work before 3.2 because you'd get an mp tick between ending b3 cast and getting UI3 applied
waiting for tick before t1 might be optimal, getting more pie would probably screw you over.
Piety can be done with any 3.2 gear: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/STRB

edit: this is for a continuing rotation, as in Eno falls off after your 20s and you're in UI3. That's why I cast B3 to start. It still works for sharp > f1 > eno > proc > f4 etc though.

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This is interesting, I'll have to look into that further down the road when I gear up and wanna get my final melds rolling.

On a related note, at around 285 Piety, which is about base Piety + SCH/AST party buff + roughly 15 Piety depending on race, you can always do T1 after a B3, even with a low 10,000~ MP rotation (IE when you do a B4 > F3 and don't get a tick in between). For now I'm gonna pop some Piety Vs in my weapon, I can live without 24 CHR in exchange for a guaranteed decent UI phase.

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Originally Posted by tomitoteles

guys, whats the actually secondary stat priority? sps>crit>det?

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That is correct

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Must be nice. Meanwhile on my server every material for any piece of Eikon set goes for a million or more and the actual gear pieces range from 6 million to 10 million. So I probably won't be able to get it unless I join a Diadem group and farm and sell off Tier 5 materia. Or just not bother.

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Round up the mats (you can buy many with esoterics), figure out what crafter you need to do each step, and then recruit with PF or shouts. If you want it done without research or preparation on your part, expect to pay quite a bit more.

-Know what you're asking for; if you need a 3 star specialist in BSM/ARM, then make it clear that's what you need
-Don't expect HQ unless you give HQ materials
-Crafting food is required to make them, so offer a reasonable price for the service
-Don't throw and clutter of items at them and expect them to sort it out. Start with something like "first I need 8 Eikon leather, here's the ingredients for them."

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Originally Posted by Aloise

PIE BLM feels even more viable than before:
{Please check it.}
As spell speed goes up this will become more flexible. You can probably hit around 900-950 if you minmax for SpS/acc in your gear.

From the description:
406 pie
744 sps
t1 cast aligns your ticks, this wouldn't work before 3.2 because you'd get an mp tick between ending b3 cast and getting UI3 applied
waiting for tick before t1 might be optimal, getting more pie would probably screw you over.
Piety can be done with any 3.2 gear: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/STRB

edit: this is for a continuing rotation, as in Eno falls off after your 20s and you're in UI3. That's why I cast B3 to start. It still works for sharp > f1 > eno > proc > f4 etc though.

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What is the 400 PIE needed for? Just a random number you got to while melding stuff? You need roughly 300 MP worth of PIE to pull off that rotation if you get a tick between B4 and F3, and seeing how you can force it with T1, it should be enough.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

What is the 400 PIE needed for? Just a random number you got to while melding stuff? You need roughly 300 MP worth of PIE to pull off that rotation if you get a tick between B4 and F3, and seeing how you can force it with T1, it should be enough.

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Did a quick test. With 402 PIE, you can get off a B3 with 4MP left using (Sharp) F1 > (Eno) F3 > F4x2 > F1 > F4x3 > B3. Then you wait for the tick, T1 and continue along your merry way. If you never ever plan to use that setup, you save 618 MP by doing B3 (tick) > F3, which is ~91 PIE. I believe I'd calculated the exact amount of PIE needed pre-3.2 but used 6.75 MP/PIE instead of 6.8 so I was a few points off.

Just wondering about my opener currently its:

Sharpcast-leylines > F3 > Eno > F1 > RS > F4 > F4 > F4 > F4 > F3P > convert > F4 > max ether HQ> F4 > F4 > B3 > B4

I manage to squeeze in 7 X F4 at the start and need around 15 extra pie make this viable

My question is, is this worth doing as currently I'm having to use max ether instead of int pot, food wise I'm being cheap just to make this possible

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Originally Posted by Stupiduglytaru

Just wondering about my opener currently its:

Sharpcast-leylines > F3 > Eno > F1 > RS > F4 > F4 > F4 > F4 > F3P > convert > F4 > max ether HQ> F4 > F4 > B3 > B4

I manage to squeeze in 7 X F4 at the start and need around 15 extra pie make this viable

My question is, is this worth doing as currently I'm having to use max ether instead of int pot, food wise I'm being cheap just to make this possible

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How much SS do you have?
I'm not sure missing out on the T1 and future TC procs is worth one extra F4. With 6 F4's and T1 I only have about 1.5 seconds left on my renewal of Enochian with 750 SS.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

How much SS do you have?
I'm not sure missing out on the T1 and future TC procs is worth one extra F4. With 6 F4's and T1 I only have about 1.5 seconds left on my renewal of Enochian with 750 SS.

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Currently 725 but did this opener with an ast present with standard arrow, I should be roughly around 850 SS by the end of the day. Then I'll be testing it out without ast

Depending on how well timed it is with ticks, there is a tiny bit off room to squeeze a T1 but would need to use swiftcast for B4

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Originally Posted by Stupiduglytaru

Currently 725 but did this opener with an ast present with standard arrow, I should be roughly around 850 SS by the end of the day. Then I'll be testing it out without ast

Depending on how well timed it is with ticks, there is a tiny bit off room to squeeze a T1 but would need to use swiftcast for B4

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You can do all that without swiftcast? But the buff certainly helps lol.
At 750 there's no way I could do that opener. Enochian would drop even with swift I think.

I've noticed some interesting things with the BLM changes. I love the extra 2 seconds on AF and UI. Also Blizz IV is much more forgiving on refreshing Enochian. I started a cast last night with around 1.5-2 seconds left and Blizz 4 still landed. It seems that if Blizz IV is at least halfway through the cast when Enochian falls off, it will still work. This makes always fitting in a T1 simple.

I will be gathering all information I find after thoroughly raiding and all the info everyone provides in the forums, and update my guide as we move forward.

Also this is just a quick observation with very little testing to back it up, but from what I've seen so far and experimented with, I think Det might be slightly above CHR this patch. Again, that's not confirmed and I haven't thourghly tested it yet, but just something to keep in mind. We haven't had any actual stat weight updates as far as I can see. Ariyala still shows 2.5 weights

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

yassss

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so were thinking they stealth buffed Determination?

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

I've noticed some interesting things with the BLM changes. I love the extra 2 seconds on AF and UI. Also Blizz IV is much more forgiving on refreshing Enochian. I started a cast last night with around 1.5-2 seconds left and Blizz 4 still landed. It seems that if Blizz IV is at least halfway through the cast when Enochian falls off, it will still work. This makes always fitting in a T1 simple.

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It's nowhere near close only needing to be half done. Feels about an extra half a second from what I've seen.

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Originally Posted by IllyriaKnotfred

so were thinking they stealth buffed Determination?

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Not necessarily. As our Intelligence increases, secondary stats fluctuate. Stat weights will always change when newer gear is introduced.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

It's nowhere near close only needing to be half done. Feels about an extra half a second from what I've seen.

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I'll double check my stream from last night, but I'm pretty positive, I had 1 second left on enochian and cast Blizz IV, and it still refreshed. No Ley Lines.

Gotcha ^^

10char/

Can someone who's better at timing these things out check this opener for me? I've been testing it myself and the PPS seems to be better than any of the previous openers, but I want to be sure.

Sharp>Quelling>Ley Lines>F1>Enochian>RS>F3 Proc>Pot>F4>F4>F4>F1>Swift>F4>Convert>F4>F4>B3>T1>B4

Able to pull this off without party buff at 815 Spell Speed and no extra PIE. All F4's hit under RS, Pot falls off after 5th F4.

Thinking of maybe doing the T1 after B4, but not sure it would change anything as there is plenty of time left on Enoch even with a bad mana tick. Also haven't tested it with PIE party buff, so not sure if there are benefits to that depending on race either.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

You can do all that without swiftcast? But the buff certainly helps lol.
At 750 there's no way I could do that opener. Enochian would drop even with swift I think.

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Did a quick vid to see if all F4's can be hit under RS
ss 735 + ast standard arrow

https://youtu.be/cM65K0cQA28

Couldn't for the life of me get a midas pop today : : will do some more attempts as my ss increases with out ast

the timing of mana ticks is a concern tho

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Originally Posted by nugglets

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So, while this opener would have roughly a 7.58 PPS higher than the old Sharpcast opener (depending on SS), it will still be slightly lower than a sharp opener that gets the second Firestarter. And the reason for this is weaving.

If you get a Firestarter in your rotation, where do you put it? In the sharp opener (no proc) you are able to hit Blizz 3 under raging strikes. Which isn't a big increase cause it's small dmg anyways. However in the sharp opener with the proc, you can still get all 6 F4s + the F3 proc under raging strikes. In your opener, if you use get a proc, regardless of where you put it, you'll lose raging on an F4 or the proc.

With the Proc'd sharp opener, you can use F1 (procs) > F4 > F3P + Swift > F4 + convert > F4 > F4. By doing this you are able to weave both swift and convert under your gcd, losing no time at all. Even with fey wind and 850+ SS.

But your opener is still stronger than a normal sharp opener w/o a proc. And also if you can fit T1 in before B4, yes you should always do that. Otherwise you are cutting in to your 25 sec rotation where things are a little more tight, especially if you have to move or get some procs.

Well when HW first came out i had restated and added Pie, really did not make a difference so went back to full Int.
Do certain races have a larger mana pool and such? If i recall in 2.x Dunesfolk lalafell had a slight advantage at the time, no?
Anyhow, will be interesting to perhaps run some tests. My current gear i am bellow 800SS, using.... Relic, lol

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Originally Posted by Maero

Well when HW first came out i had restated and added Pie, really did not make a difference so went back to full Int.
Do certain races have a larger mana pool and such? If i recall in 2.x Dunesfolk lalafell had a slight advantage at the time, no?
Anyhow, will be interesting to perhaps run some tests. My current gear i am bellow 800SS, using.... Relic, lol

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You can get the Eso one to 210 FYI and it's better than the Relic. Just one run of Void Ark.
Dunesfolk Lalafelle can apparently do the opener without casting B3 first and without buffs/food.
I'm not 100% sure I believe it.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Well when HW first came out i had restated and added Pie, really did not make a difference so went back to full Int.
Do certain races have a larger mana pool and such? If i recall in 2.x Dunesfolk lalafell had a slight advantage at the time, no?
Anyhow, will be interesting to perhaps run some tests. My current gear i am bellow 800SS, using.... Relic, lol

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The race difference is 5 PIE at most iirc, which is about 34 MP. If you put a PIE V in every available socket, you will gain less MP than a single F4 cast costs.

All I'm gonna use is one PIE V and one PIE IV so I can always cast T1 regardless of last mana tick in UI3.

Oh i do have the Lunaris Rod @ 210, just was testing Relic because it has higher crit but no spell speed at all.
I figured if i could get my ss over 800 with melded gear it may be viable as a weapon

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Originally Posted by Maero

Oh i do have the Lunaris Rod @ 210, just was testing Relic because it has higher crit but no spell speed at all.
I figured if i could get my ss over 800 with melded gear it may be viable as a weapon

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You can definitely get over 800 Spell Speed without Lunaris. Just depends if accessories and left side is stacked with Spell Speed. But I'm a SS fiend. So right now the relic is worthless to me.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

You can get the Eso one to 210 FYI and it's better than the Relic. Just one run of Void Ark.
Dunesfolk Lalafelle can apparently do the opener without casting B3 first and without buffs/food.
I'm not 100% sure I believe it.

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That 1 PIE is enough to be able to F3 starter opener solo, where every other race needs PIE from either party or food. All races can do the F1 starter solo, though. There has also been a few times where I've been two mana short of being able to do T1 after B3.