The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

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Originally Posted by Mishakai

Simple.. Scaling content.. Generally "Hardcore" players tend to prefer encounters that require large groups... Casual players, tend to prefer solo/small group content. It's not hard to design single player content that is as difficult for a single player as raid content is for raiders.

You have to remember, we all pay the same monthly fee (currently 0, but still)... unless you want to charge hardcore players more per month than casual players, the rewards should equally reflect the time invested.

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no... wrong.... incorrect.

having stuff be more acessable is not saying give us hand outs.
Being able to play longer is no reason to feel entitle to play more % of a game then anyone else i used to play ffxi "casually" i sure as heck did not want to solo.

Why can't people see past that.

No person on here is asking forhand outs. People should have access to 100% of the content and get a chance as any peice of gear. You time doesn't = any more or less right to stuff.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

First off, wow thread exploded.


No one cares how anyone plays, we just don't want 100% casual content like so many game devs are heading towards.

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Agreed 100%, except with the dev's are heading part. Recently I don't know how they're heading, under Tanaka this game seemed like it was going 100% casual.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Agreed 100%, except with the dev's are heading part. Recently I don't know how they're heading, under Tanaka this game seemed like it was going 100% casual.

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Oh, I'm not just talking about SE (hence like so many game devs) just how most of the game devs are nowadays. I mean, look at the CoD franchise, or WoW, or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

First off, wow thread exploded.


No one cares how anyone plays, we just don't want 100% casual content like so many game devs are heading towards.

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an by casual content what you mean? stuff that anyone can access? as a formers wow player and long time hater WoW content is easy mode... leasr for me.

why should people pay for a game and because of time limitations forced to only see 20%. Remember everyones time limit is not by choice and stuff happens to cause this. Just because a person plays a game for 5+ or 1-5 hours don;t mean one group is better then the other. I seen bad "hardcore" ppl and I seen casual who kicked butt.

I played ffxi 20 hrs after my first year, anhd even I barely could do much of anything because of time.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

Oh, I'm not just talking about SE (hence like so many game devs) just how most of the game devs are nowadays. I mean, look at the CoD franchise, or WoW, or whatever.

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WoW D: Oh man.

; ; I hate the badge system.


I think I understand a little bit more now o-o ? Content being available to everyone.. but not handed out.

Wait I'm still confused :S

Isn't that just like saying a level 35 should be able to experience end game content?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

an by casual content what you mean? stuff that anyone can access? as a formers wow player and long time hater WoW content is easy mode... leasr for me.

why should people pay for a game and because of time limitations forced to only see 20%. Remember everyones time limit is not by choice and stuff happens to cause this. Just because a person plays a game for 5+ or 1-5 hours don;t mean one group is better then the other. I seen bad "hardcore" ppl and I seen casual who kicked butt.

I played ffxi 20 hrs after my first year, anhd even I barely could do much of anything because of time.

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By casual content I mean stuff like guildleves; they barely take any time to do and are relatively easy to do, or things that the casuals can do in one sitting, etc.

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Originally Posted by Yellow

WoW D: Oh man.

; ; I hate the badge system.


I think I understand a little bit more now o-o ? Content being available to everyone.. but not handed out.

Wait I'm still confused :S

Isn't that just like saying a level 35 should be able to experience end game content?

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no, its not the same

you still have to level to the appropriate range to do said content
making it easier and easier and easier to level is an issue though




if a casual player has an issue with the time it takes to do something, thats their own problem, and they cant compare it to "vs hardcore"
time sinks will always be time sinks, and if you arent willing to do them, dont complain that its not casual unfriendly

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

why should people pay for a game and because of time limitations forced to only see 20%.

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I don't think a lot of the hardcore players are expecting 80% of the content to be for "hardcore" players. I think what they want is more like 5% or less depending on how much is out.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

By casual content I mean stuff like guildleves; they barely take any time to do and are relatively easy to do, or things that the casuals can do in one sitting, etc.

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you know that is a load of lies right..... casual isn't always easy like say farmville.
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no everyone meaning players should have access to content when they get to it. Not be forced to look away because its a needless time sink.
a mission or event don't need to be 5+ hours long to be difficault.
like zelda.... link didn't fight in long battle but hard ones. you had to learn each bossses weakness and use the weapon of choice for it.

And none of the self proclaimed hardcores can see past that. Its a sad world we live in when a game has this much hate between players.

We all play a game for fun no one should be anymore entilted to more cake just because they play more hours then another person. The more people we have that can access the more content, the more people can enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Kazimir

I don't think a lot of the hardcore players are expecting 80% of the content to be for "hardcore" players. I think what they want is more like 5% or less depending on how much is out.

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any player should have 100% content or none. :) take your pick.

I played 20 hours and got left out of content due to such limited amount of people doing it. There was no LS doing events when I can do them. It was always late at night or early in the morning. Content shouldn't be that restrictive. I should long on grab my friends or other players and just have fun doing the content. Which is the point of it. Have fun doing.
No person should get more content even if it just 5%.

again any player should get to try 100% of what this game has, don;t nlike it? maybe you need to grow up and realise how stupid you sound. This is a game guys... not flipping life or death.