SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

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Originally Posted by A_Hortensia

I understand the idea for getting more subscribers, I don't see how it does anything against RMT.

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By cutting their profits, it cuts their budget. By cutting their budget, it cuts their workforce. By cutting their workforce (and I mean people-wise, not account-wise) which is the real element that allows them to damage the economy so badly, it reduces their influence considerably.

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Originally Posted by indira

they woulnt be selling anything if they were not making profit. either way there still making bank.

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I'll take them making a lot less bank, and not managing to cause inflation, over nothing.

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Originally Posted by AhmeraMae

Deflation, it's called deflation.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

But ISK isn't inflated.

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When currency gains in value and items cost less currency, thats deflation.
When currency loses value and items cost more currency, thats inflation.

That chart shows a downward trend in currency value. Inflation.

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Originally Posted by A_Hortensia

In the sense of: Buying gold is not okay. Except, buying gold is okay as long as Blizzard profits. Yes.


It doesn't stop RMT companies. It don't see how it would.

Let's say for the sake of clarity that I was an RMT company owner/manager.

Wouldn't silling gil become more desirable because now players can use the gil they buy to not only gear their character, but also now pay for their subscription? Also, if the in-game item were 100K Gil.. and I could reliably sell 100k for 5 dollars, I could just get my RMT team to purchase the in-game item with the excess gil they farmed.. and thus increase my profits because I no longer have to worry about subscriptions.

I understand the idea for getting more subscribers, I don't see how it does anything against RMT.
I don't think it matters; SE should just whack moles. If people want to consider this idea, they shouldn't consider it as an RMT counter-measure I think..

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What? Why would you ever want to pay $ for gil just to buy an item that would otherwise cost $? In any sane world, the market price of legitimately bought PLEX would far outstrip the rate that gil-sellers would be selling at. For example, you buy a PLEX for $5 which can be sold for 100k on MW, there's no way gil-sellers can sell at any price higher than the same rate. In effect, the higher the gil-sellers drive their prices up under this system, the more they shoot themselves in the foot as people turn to PLEX over their business. There's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine/money engine.

Also, for the record, EVE developers also play whack-a-mole IN ADDITION to PLEX. See Operation Unholy Rage. No one is saying you can't do both.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

By cutting their profits, it cuts their budget. By cutting their budget, it cuts their workforce. By cutting their workforce (and I mean people-wise, not account-wise) which is the real element that allows them to damage the economy so badly, it reduces their influence considerably.

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It actually wouldn't cut my profit. It could decrease my revenue, but I might wind up profiting more.
I wouldn't have to worry about coming up with 150 USD+ a month to keep my team subscribed and online. (sometimes more than 150 if my team acts carelessly and gets themselves banned)

And if it costs 10 USD to make 100K legally, I'll be sure to adjust my prices accordingly so that my farmed gil is a better deal. Also, i won't be reliant on the fluctuation of a single items in-game value, as I would be if I were legitimately selling gil through SE.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

What? Why would you ever want to pay $ for gil just to buy an item that would otherwise cost $?

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I would sell gil at USD prices so that when you spend 10 dollars with me, you get a month's subscription as well as extra gil that you would use for your character. SE will still make money, but so will I.

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Originally Posted by A_Hortensia

It actually wouldn't cut my profit. It could decrease my revenue, but I might wind up profiting more.
I wouldn't have to worry about coming up with 150 USD+ a month to keep my team subscribed and online. (sometimes more than 150 if my team acts carelessly and gets themselves banned)

And if it costs 10 USD to make 100K legally, I'll be sure to adjust my prices accordingly so that my farmed gil is a better deal. Also, i won't be reliant on the fluctuation of a single items in-game value, as I would be if I were legitimately selling gil through SE.

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NO gilselling firm pays for their accounts. They steal them, or use credit card fraud to get them and keep em running as long as they go. then they just move to new ones.

That's the main reason why whacking moles doesn't work much. They have an infinite supply of accounts for free.

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Originally Posted by A_Hortensia

It actually wouldn't cut my profit. It could decrease my revenue, but I might wind up profiting more.
I wouldn't have to worry about coming up with 150 USD+ a month to keep my team subscribed and online. (sometimes more than 150 if my team acts carelessly and gets themselves banned)

And if it costs 10 USD to make 100K legally, I'll be sure to adjust my prices accordingly so that my farmed gil is a better deal. Also, i won't be reliant on the fluctuation of a single items in-game value, as I would be if I were legitimately selling gil through SE.

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Think about it this way. I am an RMT. I buy 100k gil for $10.00 using the PLEX system. I then have to sell it for AT LEAST $10.01 in order to make a profit. But who would ever buy from me if I could just use PLEX to buy it for $10 and legally to boot?

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

When currency gains in value and items cost less currency, thats deflation.
When currency loses value and items cost more currency, thats inflation.

That chart shows a downward trend in currency value. Inflation.

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Dude. Seriously. (no pun intended.)

This chart shows how much you have to pay in USD in order to buy 400K ISK. It shows how the currency LOST in value for RMTers. This chart is the best possible proof of concept. It clearly shows that PLEX work!

Edit: Also, as a direct consequence of the drop in value for RMTers, less and less ISK were present igame. the tISK decreased. and this leads to what effect? Ah, yes! DEFLATION!

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

When currency gains in value and items cost less currency, thats deflation.
When currency loses value and items cost more currency, thats inflation.

That chart shows a downward trend in currency value. Inflation.

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That chart doesn't show the purchasing power of ISK towards in game items. That chart shows the price of ISK in dollars.

So let me get this straight, the argument you have with RMT is:

You get rid of people outcompeting the average player on the market with superior supply quantities
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You halt in-game RMT advertising

Whatever else they do is A-O-K?


Because that sounds a great deal like what is being pushed here.

And opens the door to cash shops. Its a slippery slope, my friend.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

NO gilselling firm pays for their accounts. They steal them, or use credit card fraud to get them and keep em running as long as they go. then they just move to new ones.

That's the main reason why whacking moles doesn't work much.

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While it's true that there are some organizations that would go through such measures.

That is not a true statement for all RMT. There are as many that pay legitimately to fund their business, as their are others who fund their business through criminal means.

Just putting that out there.