Why the hate with endgame fights?

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

I mean...there's more examples like 2 posts under that highly upvoted that blanket non-raiders in a negative light with no basis of fact supporting them. And while you deem it a joke, can you be certain everyone else will perceive it as such.

But by all means, you all can go on being mystified by and angry at the reality that some folks consider the end game community as toxic.

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I'm not mystified by it or angry about it at all because I've known for years that people with no common sense existed. Takes the mystery right out :D

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I'm not mystified by it or angry about it at all because I've known for years that people with no common sense existed. Takes the mystery right out :D

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If you think the fact that some people who decide they don't want to interact with those who appear to be okay with spreading falsehoods about them are lacking lacking common sense...I'm not sure what to tell you.

The end game community on the one hand seems to get more people into the higher levels of content...by treating reluctant onlookers with basic respect seems to be a stretch they're not willing to take.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

If you think the fact that some people who decide they don't want to interact with those who appear to be okay with spreading falsehoods about them are lacking lacking common sense...I'm not sure what to tell you.

The end game community on the one hand seems to get more people into the higher levels of content...by treating reluctant onlookers with basic respect seems to be a stretch they're not willing to take.

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You say these things, please back them up. Give me examples. I wouod be more than happy to at least distance myself from anyone who has said anything along the lines of "all players who haven't completed Savage are lazy/stupid/etc." which is the claim you have made but you haven't quoted a single post.

Put your money where your mouth is.

I pointed out multiple on the first page...we literally just talked about this as you dismissed it 'as a joke'.

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Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

Judging from all the nerf posts that pop all the time, -clears throat-
"Because I want to clear everything with minimal effort and time investment! Paying for a sub means all content shouldn't be just available to me, it should be given to me!"

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

To be frank? People are entitled and lazy. There's really not much else to it. They don't want to do the work but they want what ever doing the work would earn them.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

Some people don't have the capacity or the will to tackle endgame content. yet they still feel they are owed it and attempt to get carried. if they can't they complain.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

I pointed out multiple on the first page...we literally just talked about this as you dismissed it 'as a joke'.

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That. Is. Not. Toxic.

If you are that easily offended I wish you the best luck out there in the real world with people who can yell instead of just type in all caps or use a bold font.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

If you think the fact that some people who decide they don't want to interact with those who appear to be okay with spreading falsehoods about them are lacking lacking common sense...I'm not sure what to tell you.

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At this point, both casuals and raiders have had lies and slander made about them by the other side. Outliers of one end call the others lazy and unwilling to work; outliers on the other end call their opponents "toxic" and "unwilling to treat onlookers with basic respect." Let's dispense with both here and now: those are outliers on both ends.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

At this point, both casuals and raiders have had lies and slander made about them by the other side. Outliers of one end call the others lazy and unwilling to work; outliers on the other end call their opponents "toxic" and "unwilling to treat onlookers with basic respect." Let's dispense with both here and now: those are outliers on both ends.

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So much this sentiment. Bads are bad no matter how competent they are. Most people are not bad people though. Neither the entire casual or raiding community is a cesspool, rather both have bad eggs.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

That. Is. Not. Toxic.

If you are that easily offended I wish you the best luck out there in the real world with people who can yell instead of just type in all caps or use a bold font.

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Hey look....you respond to my recommendation of not making baseless assumptions about people...by making baseless assumptions about me.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

But by all means, you all can go on being mystified by and angry at the reality that some folks consider the end game community as toxic.

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The mystifying thing is that the most vocal of people who refuse to do end game content because of "toxicity," are usually far more toxic than any sort of raider posting, myself included.

The worst I've seen the most vocal posters "for" raiding do is call people lazy or entitled. Myself I've called people arrogant or ignorant.

Meanwhile, I've seen "toxic jerks," "scrubs," "assholes," "I will report anyone I so much as suspect using a parser," "you're garbage at this game if you need a parser," "you're not good at this game you just think you are," "savage isn't an achievement," etc.

I could actually go back and quote most of these posts, hell, some of them are in this thread. I am also too lazy though, because I don't care that much. In fact, more often than not, despite all the insults we've received, we don't spend all our time whining how toxic the casual community is towards raiders because of their preconceived notion we are. This is because we're able to objectively acknowledge that only a small group of casual players are nasty towards raiders.

Let's just stop with this "but their FEELINGS," rhetoric. If someone is turned away from raiding because of someone on the forums implying they're lazy or entitled, then they have bigger problems. Unless a post is aimed at you specifically you should just never take it personally. It's not the responsibility of another person to watch out for your insecurities. Especially if they don't know you.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

Hey look....you respond to my recommendation of not making baseless assumptions about people...by making baseless assumptions about me.

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They said, "if." It provides benefit of the doubt. It is not a baseless assumption. Stop reaching.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

Hey look....you respond to my recommendation of not making baseless assumptions about people...by making baseless assumptions about me.

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How is it an assumption to say "you are offended by the inoffensive thing, the world has a lot worse out there for you" when you have said this thing offends you?

The only thing I'm assuming is that your multiple posts ranting about this one post accurately express your feelings about this post.

Stop trying to weasel out of this. I've made my point, I'm done derailing Kavia's thread. Suck it up and admit you're wrong. Or don't, I'll ignore you either way :D