4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

I like how people use 2.1 as their trump card to win an argument, remember any other single patch after 2.1 that came even close to amount of content 2.1 had? me neither.

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2.5 had a good amount of content too. A lot of 2.xx patches were not bad. I don't expect another 2.1, but we're getting less and less content per expansion. We're getting less dungeons, less trials, less beast tribes, less pretty much everything.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

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Sure if it was free, but we're paying quite a bit of money. Sure you can say just stop and don't pay, but that's the lazy solution.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

2.1 is patch 2.0+1, because it was all the stuff they could not add upon 2.0's release. Stop using it as a defense.

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Wait who am I defending. Are you thinking I'm defending SE? I'm saying we got less and less content with the patches. If you don't want to use 2.1 then use 2.5.

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

Wait who am I defending. Are you thinking I'm defending SE? I'm saying we got less and less content with the patches. If you don't want to use 2.1 then use 2.5.

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Defense, counterargument, whatever term you prefer.

The only difference is we're not getting 2 dungeons, and we're getting one less trial.

The two dungeons are reused from 2.0, Amdapor Keep and Wanderer's Palace, and then the two trials haven't much replay value anyways. I guess the only argument you could make is Postmoogle quests, but those last shorter than the MSQ, which is already being shortened to something like 5-8 quests so there's not too many by the end.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Defense, counterargument, whatever term you prefer.

The only difference is we're not getting 2 dungeons, and we're getting one less trial.

The two dungeons are reused from 2.0, Amdapor Keep and Wanderer's Palace, and then the two trials haven't much replay value anyways. I guess the only argument you could make is Postmoogle quests, but those last shorter than the MSQ, which is already being shortened to something like 5-8 quests so there's not too many by the end.

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I think that if the new PvP mode and Eureka had been delivered on time, people wouldn't be as upset and concerned. It's a shame that they got pushed back, but I'm HOPING that means they learned from past mistakes like Diadem and are doing things right the first time. Time will tell, obviously. Those were both supposed to make it into 4.1, though the PvP content won't be TOO far behind...1 month, roughly. Biggest issue is Eureka. A lot of people were looking forward to that, myself included.

Time won't tell much, if Eureka is a flop people will find new excuses to defend the fact that we're getting less.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Time won't tell much, if Eureka is a flop people will find new excuses to defend the fact that we're getting less.

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Well aren't you a bundle of optimism...

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

2.5 had a good amount of content too. A lot of 2.xx patches were not bad. I don't expect another 2.1, but we're getting less and less content per expansion. We're getting less dungeons, less trials, less beast tribes, less pretty much everything.



Sure if it was free, but we're paying quite a bit of money. Sure you can say just stop and don't pay, but that's the lazy solution.

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you're paying about as much as a lunch per month + whatever initial invesment you made for the base game. I wouldn't call that a lot, subjective I guess though. What you're paying for though is server maintenance costs and all that entails: bandwidth, GMs, customer service. It isn't cheap running a multiple hundreds of thousand accounts server. Stopping paying isn't lazy and I'm sad you think it is. It's the most powerful tool you have for showing your displeasure. STOP PAYING. If you keep paying and maybe post a biting comment on the forums it gets a hell of a lot less attention than the fallout of people dropping off of recurring payments. You want 2.1 levels of attention? Recreate the crisis.

I'm very excited about the new raid and the new PVP mode. The new PVP mode looks especially elaborated.
We only do dungeons for weekly tomes, so I don't mind if they add 1, 2, or 5. I don't really do trials, they're not for everyone so I can understand they wouldn't want to add tons of them in a single patch. Instead we're getting the music system, which also takes time and development (and looks fun); the possibility to send tells and add people crossserver; and perhaps my favourite part: a change in the residential areas to allow swimming. I thought they'd just make swimming possible in the current maps, but no, they are actually changing the maps for that, which is awesome. Also the SuperExtremeSavage Coil, whatever you call it (I won't do that one). Oh, and also the squadron update, which even seems to come with new emotes.

There IS a lot of content and development invested. It's just perhaps not the kind of content some people would personally like, as SE seems to be trying to add things for everyone; more variety than they did back in 2.0, when they'd simply add more dungeons and more trials. It's simply a matter of you appreciating what we're getting, or not appreciating it at all. And I sure do.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

2.1 is patch 2.0+1, because it was all the stuff they could not add upon 2.0's release. Stop using it as a defense.

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To be fair 4.1 is partially the same way, the new pvp mode was delayed from 4.0 and guessing they intentionally delayed Shirogane housing until 4.1 so the patch looks more beefy and keeps people subscribed into 4.1

There isn't less stuff than ever, some is just deliberately splintered off to the minor patches for a more even spread but overall it's at least as much as we've always been getting....

4.1 through 4.15 is...
> Alliance raid
> Light-Party Dungeon
> Main Scenario quests
> New PvP mode and map
> New housing area and updates
> First ever Ultimate raid
> Extreme trial
> Squadron dungeon content
> Hildibrand sidequests
> Beast Tribe quests
> Perform music feature
> Custom Delivery content
> Deeper treasure map dungeon with new mechanics
> Many major UI improvements
> Cross-world friend list, tells
> Raid roulette + adjustments to Labyrinth
> and the usual job fixes, new mounts, etc

Yeah I guess the whiners are right, the dev team have just been sitting on their butts. They are barely producing the most content of any dev team in the industry any more. It's not like we are getting more raid content than any previous patch series with the addition of the Ultimate series on odd-number patches. It's not like they took the effort to create an entirely new pvp concept with piloting machina and destroying enemy towers. For these new kinds of content we lost a hard-mode dungeon which everyone was telling them we don't want any more because it's a boring hallway of trash pulls. But it's gone, therefore weakest patch ever? {/sarcasm}

It's gonna be a huge patch for the little things like... use chocobo and minion at the same time; see chocobo remaining time in party list; set status bar to multi lines to separate buff, debuff, other; new moving house service; new storeroom for furnishings; detach and salvage materia melds system added; the list goes on, it's going to be a big set of patch notes. You can go through the list of content and say that none of it interests you personally, but saying the devs are doing less work every year is a false claim. If you don't skip things you can see that there is still a lot of stuff, it's just gradually shifting to new kinds of content and breaking from the old formula.