Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

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Originally Posted by Uppers

I think you're underestimating the usefulness of dragon kick and mantra. You are slightly ahead of NIN but far behind DRG which is pretty blatantly bad for both NIN and MNK. Due to the current balance of the game both of these classes are trying to compete for one of the melee dps spots since the other is reserved for DRG.

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DK is certainly powerful, but now another class has it, so it does lessen MNKs overall utility slightly. I do agree that well timed Mantras are useful. However, those two items pale in comparison to the utility that other DPS jobs bring.

You hit the nail on the head with regards to NIN/MNK/DRG. The fact that DRG has top DPS and also boosts MCH/BRD makes them a clear choice in any raid progression group.

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

DK is certainly powerful, but now another class has it, so it does lessen MNKs overall utility slightly. I do agree that well timed Mantras are useful. However, those two items pale in comparison to the utility that other DPS jobs bring.

You hit the nail on the head with regards to NIN/MNK/DRG. The fact that DRG has top DPS and also boosts MCH/BRD makes them a clear choice in any raid progression group.

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Which is actually quite hilarious considering how things were back in the various Realm Reborn patches where MNKs were guaranteed a spot as DPS and DRGs were not wanted if the player wasn't good. How the tides have turned now.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Which is actually quite hilarious considering how things were back in the various Realm Reborn patches where MNKs were guaranteed a spot as DPS and DRGs were not wanted if the player wasn't good. How the tides have turned now.

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Indeed they have, even with FCoB a MNK was usually there in most progression groups due to the importance of survivalbility (which DK and Mantra both help). This patch cycle has an emphasis on DPS checks which the other two DPS jobs outclass monk in, in regards to support (TA/Goad and Crit+/Piercing+).

If they made one other job with blunt damage it would greatly help. Because currently MNK really doesn't synergize with any other job.

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Originally Posted by Uppers

I think you're underestimating the usefulness of dragon kick

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Uhm... not at all unless you're going double Monk? :D DRK is better than PLD in 3/4 turns and nothing in A2 is worth DKing. It's only useful if you're in A1 on the oppressor that the DK isn't on.


Mantra is basically useless in A1 as well other than saving MP which shouldn't be an issue to begin with because BRD/MCH can sing during downtime. It helps a little in A2 during certain phases. Useful in A3/A4. BL is possibly more useful than Mantra with a SCH in the party though... although it'll probably rarely line up with heal phases.


Still nothing compared to DRG utility with all the DPS checks flying around.

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Originally Posted by Uppers

I think you're underestimating the usefulness of dragon kick and mantra. You are slightly ahead of NIN but far behind DRG...

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Meh, I wouldn't say slightly ahead NIN, I'd say it's getting more significant by the week.

Could just be my experience, but it seems a well-played MNK can still compete with DRG, while NIN struggles to float much above 1200 dps. My NIN's best parse on faust was 1221, most other parses I've seen are usually about that at most, usually 20-30 less (which is where I'm usually at). Feels impossible to hit that magical 1250+, whie I've seen both MNK and DRG do it fairly easily. I'm still kind of new to FFXIV, so I'm not sure how scaling works, but just watching my DRG/MNK buddies when we were all ~160 to all almost ~190, it appears they both scale better.

FYI, for Faust, make sure that you're viewing the damage done on Faust only. Dragoons and Monks' aoe abilities are part of their single target rotation, as opposed to many other dps jobs. They hit the adds and inflate the results.

Not that i can freely speak on monk yet but

i'm fairly certain the strength of monk in 3.0 and forward is just going to be straight up sustainability

if we get another t8 or T11 style fight in the future, monk is going to be absolute king. Their DPS might be lower than a DRG but I'm fairly certain you can make almost 6 minute parses on a monk right now. Thats huge in a raid environment

I think that some people might be forgetting something that has not really been tested and that is monks scaling. What we are seeing right now isnt necessarily indicative of what it will be like in full 210 and beyond (granted right now is more important as its progression and not farm) I am hoping what we will see is that Monk scales harder than DRG in that our stat weights will be higher such that once a certain threshold of combined stats is hit monk will simply out scale DRG once again. If it isnt i would like to see FoF returned to its 10% glory or something along those lines.

They lowered the impact of DET on auto-attacks, unfortunately. That WAS one thing Monks had going for them.

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

They lowered the impact of DET on auto-attacks, unfortunately. That WAS one thing Monks had going for them.

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True but crit got insane, so I think we'll just stack that instead