Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by honest_psycho

To answer unanswered question: The source of the problem is that the writers are absolute talentless amateurs and need to be replaced asap.

Every other question has been done and debated ad nauseam.
Everyone who thinks "Dawntrail and Wuk Lamat is the bestest thing EVARRR" is huffing lethal amounts of copium because they don't wanna admit that their favourite game/second home etc shat their pants.

And now these people pretend that their A-student just "accidentaly" sat on "chocolate cake", despite proof that there was no cake at the school-cafeteria on that day and that EVERYONE CAN SMELL IT.

If you just gobble up this mess of a product, don't be suprised when this game goes down in flames in a few years, which WILL happen with the current writers.
Mark my words.

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Rofl you made my Day. I nearly choked on my Chips.

Wuk Lamat is the real villain of Final Fantasy 14. She poisoned my potion supply, stole my story moment, burned my raid food, made Lyse look like a Disney sidekick in being a blackhole mary sue attention hog, and delivered the black rose plague upon our FC houses. Grynewaht would’ve unironically been a better lead character than how she turned out. Zenos committed atrocity after atrocity to have a WrestleMania rematch with us, Emet-Selch wanted to erase what he believed was our Kmart-grade existence, and Meteion was the embodiment of every doomer meme. Wuk Lamat is the only one who has made people fall out of love with FFXIV with her character writing and the expansion's writing.

In absolute seriousness though it’s a legitimate tragedy to see the result of this decline from the end of Endwalker. To see a lot of people drift away from the title if not completely lose faith in it after Dawntrail failed to live up to what was promised to await us. It’s one thing to hate something in its totality and in sincerity, but it’s another thing to watch yourself and others fall out of love with something that you’ve treasured and cherished close to your heart, and that is what Dawntrail unfortunately was for FFXIV. And Dawntrail IS Wuk Lamat.

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Originally Posted by ValusArmaros

In absolute seriousness though it’s a legitimate tragedy to see the result of this decline from the end of Endwalker. To see a lot of people drift away from the title if not completely lose faith in it after Dawntrail failed to live up to what was promised to await us. It’s one thing to hate something in its totality and in sincerity, but it’s another thing to watch yourself and others fall out of love with something that you’ve treasured and cherished close to your heart, and that is what Dawntrail unfortunately was for FFXIV. And Dawntrail IS Wuk Lamat.

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That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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She also did not get to be on that promo building. G’raha did, along with WoL and Erenville

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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This is what makes me think some MASSIVE rewrites happened very late into production. I don't think she was originally planned to be nearly as centralized as she ended up being. I'd do anything to find out what happened in that writers' room that led to this being the final product, because if my hunch is correct, it was ugly.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

That's a good point in retrospect, because I don't think that any of the pre-launch promotional material gave the impression that Wuk Lamat would take centre-stage through the entirety of the expansion.
Heck, it's pretty telling that most of the Scion-scenes from those first "Open Sky" cinematics actually occurred in the finale cutscenes of 7.0!

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

She also did not get to be on that promo building. G’raha did, along with WoL and Erenville

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Originally Posted by sylphlands

This is what makes me think some MASSIVE rewrites happened very late into production. I don't think she was originally planned to be nearly as centralized as she ended up being. I'd do anything to find out what happened in that writers' room that led to this being the final product, because if my hunch is correct, it was ugly.

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If we go based on just the promo building stuff, the WoL and Erenville being there make sense. G'raha though does not make ANY sense. If anything, people would assume the three on the promo building would be WoL/Erenville/Krile, given how much Krile was hyped up in the fanfest keynotes as well as pushed near the end of the Endwalker to really be preparing herself to finally fight alongside everyone properly and was going to have a big part to play in the story [and of course we all saw how shit that turned out to be]. The other assumption would obviously be WoL/Erenville/Wuk Lamat given Dawntrail is just Wuk Lamat's expansion and she was introduced at the end of Endwalker and is our ticket to Tural for a new adventure. Yes you could say that "G'raha is just there to build people's interest in Dawntrail" to which I say that's cool and all: but putting Y'shtola, who is essentially the "face" of FF14, would've drawn in even more if they just wanted to put a face up that more people recognized to "build interest."

But they instead ultimately chose G'raha, even though he only appears during the second half of the expansion.

Of course it's all speculation in the end, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was actually a huge re-write of some sort sometime during development.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

G'raha could have acted as a foil for Sphene since he was also the leader of one of the last bastions of civilization on a shard that was on the brink, but obviously went down a very different path. It'd make more sense than her foil being a freshly appointed co-leader of a near-utopia.

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That's actually such a good point. The entire Alexandria line could've been done with G'raha, yet he got fully sidelined instead. While he would've made so much more sense than madam in charge for 5 minutes

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Originally Posted by MoiraTerrwell

That's actually such a good point. The entire Alexandria line could've been done with G'raha, yet he got fully sidelined instead. While he would've made so much more sense than madam in charge for 5 minutes

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Almost any character other than Wuk would've been better to focus on for the Alexandria part of the MSQ, why they felt the need to force Wuk in the players face so hard in the second half remains beyond me and was probably the single worst decision the writing team made in Dawntrail

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Originally Posted by sylphlands

This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work.

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Sometimes I just wonder if people read anymore. How anyone can consume ANY literature during their life and then defend the writing in Dawntrail is beyond me (or watch any part way decently written TV series). Hell, your average X-Men crossover series makes more sense than Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

Sometimes I just wonder if people read anymore. How anyone can consume ANY literature during their life and then defend the writing in Dawntrail is beyond me (or watch any part way decently written TV series). Hell, your average X-Men crossover series makes more sense than Dawntrail.

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Honestly, I think a lot of the defense (and some of the hatred) of DT is ideological, which is why so many of the arguments are nonsensical or pure deflection tactics. "Group X (dis)likes this game because they're on the wrong team so I have to defend/attack it!"

The game also has a lot of weird toxic positivity where people get very upset if you criticize the game at all so they'll just defend it reflexively.

But, for some reason, there are people who genuinely like the story. There's someone on my friend list who reads fantasy fiction voraciously and thinks Dawntrail is the best expansion by far. You can't account for taste I suppose.