Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Its not THAT different from alot of jobs today. Companies want people with Degrees and Experience with Points of Reference so they know what to expect out of the people they hire, much more that the person offers want they want/need. Most employers for a Business of this type and Caliber want somebody already equipped with the tools and Knowhow, instead of Investing in people to learn it after hiring and paying for the schooling to teach them.
Typical Business Stuff. Always make a Profit, look to go UP, never go Down.

Sad reality, doesnt matter how much Money a Company has, they view and weigh assets and other stuff way differently then how we think they Should or could.
And unless we have a Degree and we rank high enough sit at the big table, they arnt gonna listen to us.

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"New summer unpaid internships open. Must have bachelors degree, 5 years experience, and 3 professional references"

Yup, sounds like most companies these days.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

"New summer unpaid internships open. Must have bachelors degree, 5 years experience, and 3 professional references"

Yup, sounds like most companies these days.

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Reminds me of the Ahead of the Curve achievement in WoW. Groups use that as a requirement to join, but people can't join because they don't have the achievement. lol I'm sure there's plenty of wonderful talent being lost because companies refuse to offer any sort of training.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

They're only hurting their bottom line and innovation at the end of the day. They'd rather wait a decade to hire perfect candidates than invest on someone who's close enough. XIV would be a much better product, and probably have a lot more subscribers if they adopted the model I suggested. They can barely create the same amount of content they were creating during Heavensward, that's how strange the situation is with the company nowadays.

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See, just settling for "Close enough" and just pouring money on 'The next best thing' can also hurt your bottom line and just cost money you might never see again or get a return on. Similar to GTAV Storymode Heists: how if you hire someone just "good Enough" you run the risk of loosing more then gaining any profit. That Hired Driver might crash and burn because they arnt a Skilled Driver, or that "hacker" might botch the Program needed to get into that Room, costing time and the Money you get at the end.
We like to think we know what would work and fix an issue, but there are other variables that have a Coinflip chance of stopping Progress as well.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Reminds me of the Ahead of the Curve achievement in WoW. Groups use that as a requirement to join, but people can't join because they don't have the achievement. lol I'm sure there's plenty of wonderful talent being lost because companies refuse to offer any sort of training.

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Sad but true.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

"New summer unpaid internships open. Must have bachelors degree, 5 years experience, and 3 professional references"

Yup, sounds like most companies these days.

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Back When I was Job Hunting for my first job, this is pretty much expected. Needed SO much help to get past this Elite Barrier.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

"New summer unpaid internships open. Must have bachelors degree, 5 years experience, and 3 professional references"

Yup, sounds like most companies these days.

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Was not 5 years, but they did require at least 3 years of experience. Everything else was as you said for my first internship.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

A multi million company like Square enix should be able to create internship programs that train people in these things through university partnerships and such. I'm surprised they haven't done this considering XIV is almost 6 years old. Or if that's too expensive (universities are money-hungry) then why not hire people with a general degree in 3D design and train them for 2 years?

Today's companies are really missing out on great talent by expecting them to have 200 skills by the time they apply instead of investing on them like companies used to do in the past.
I'm rooting for World of Warcraft to improve and really challenge FFXIV, Square enix is way too complacent.

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Agreed, and besides it's mainly MMO battle design devs which they say are particularly scarce, but nonetheless, their current approach is to seek out already skilled workers rather than train them up (barring, again, the raid battle design, where they do some of that.)

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Agreed, and besides it's mainly MMO battle design devs which they say are particularly scarce, but nonetheless, their current approach is to seek out already skilled workers rather than train them up (barring, again, the raid battle design, where they do some of that.)

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I can't entirely blame them for that, when you're one of the top companies in the world for what you're doing, you can afford to be more picky. But if you're not finding what you're looking for in your current filter, it's probably time to expand your search.

I would really be surprised if in 6.0 the devs dont add the missing genders, they would be a perfect addition to the expac to not have it be just 1 job and some zones and I think it would give them so much good press and publicity, so I thinkthat if they can do it they will

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I would really be surprised if in 6.0 the devs dont add the missing genders, they would be a perfect addition to the expac to not have it be just 1 job and some zones and I think it would give them so much good press and publicity, so I thinkthat if they can do it they will

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You'd think; yet it's taking them more than 1 year to add hair styles to Viera and Hrothgar.
I really don't see how the dev team has enough time or people to add the missing genders. I don't know what's to blame for their struggle; could be FFVII remake?

But what's obvious is that making new hair styles even for the "normal" races is also a struggle for them now. Not to mention DNC/GNB weapons, and we're now getting less dungeons than last expansion.

Them adding Hrothgar to lure Elder Scrolls players was their gamble, after that they're just going into sleep mode with the next expansion in my opinion. Next expansion is basically like Stormblood, barebones; the only selling point being MSQ and 2 new jobs. The rest is the predictable hamster wheel; dungeons, new 24 man raids, new 8 man raids.

Stormblood had 2 very strong jobs going for it at least; samurai and rdm, very iconic pull. While chemist is liked, it's not a classic like Samurai and Red mage. Next expansion I predict the exodus of FFXIV players to WoW with their new expansion, or just to ps5 and the many single player/online games it offers.

I don't really fault the XIV devs, Square Enix just needs to complete FFVII remake no matter the cost. And the cost of that means taking some of XIV's best 2D and 3D artists, as well as some of their best operations staff.

With all those points laid out, how do you see the missing genders making it in the next expansion? I've completely given up and am ready to jump ship to ps5 with Demon's Souls and spend 1000 hours playing that and other ps5 titles. Do I like XIV? Yeah, am I ready to be disappointed at the fanfests? You bet haha, the signs are not good my friend.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

You'd think; yet it's taking them more than 1 year to add hair styles to Viera and Hrothgar.
I really don't see how the dev team has enough time or people to add the missing genders. I don't know what's to blame for their struggle; could be FFVII remake?

But what's obvious is that making new hair styles even for the "normal" races is also a struggle for them now. Not to mention DNC/GNB weapons, and we're now getting less dungeons than last expansion.

Them adding Hrothgar to lure Elder Scrolls players was their gamble, after that they're just going into sleep mode with the next expansion in my opinion. Next expansion is basically like Stormblood, barebones; the only selling point being MSQ and 2 new jobs. The rest is the predictable hamster wheel; dungeons, new 24 man raids, new 8 man raids.

Stormblood had 2 very strong jobs going for it at least; samurai and rdm, very iconic pull. While chemist is liked, it's not a classic like Samurai and Red mage. Next expansion I predict the exodus of FFXIV players to WoW with their new expansion, or just to ps5 and the many single player/online games it offers.

I don't really fault the XIV devs, Square Enix just needs to complete FFVII remake no matter the cost. And the cost of that means taking some of XIV's best 2D and 3D artists, as well as some of their best operations staff.

With all those points laid out, how do you see the missing genders making it in the next expansion? I've completely given up and am ready to jump ship to ps5 with Demon's Souls and spend 1000 hours playing that and other ps5 titles. Do I like XIV? Yeah, am I ready to be disappointed at the fanfests? You bet haha, the signs are not good my friend.

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Sadly MMOs have just been cash cows for other projects since the dawn of the genre. Most of the money XIV makes doesn't get put back into XIV.

Still hoping we'll someday soon get male viera! Lots of people want them evidently.
Blowsy mind they didn't learn their lesson with the whole miqote issue.

I'm glad to see this thread still going, even after all this time since the announcement of the "Limited " races!

I support Male Viera and Female Hrothgar!

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Most of the money XIV makes doesn't get put back into XIV.

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Right...or else we wouldn't have new expansions, new races, new jobs, new content, servers, etc. (Sarcasm Intended).

Funny thing about this thread, if they got what they wanted, no one would apologize for the vitriol. Very few out of the over 1000 pages would actually give thanks. They would mod their bunny boys (because screw those fem Hrothgar amirite) and never use the forums again.

Or complain that their boys can't wear X Y and Z because being a big company, they can only put out PERFECTION >:C

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Originally Posted by Gula

Funny thing about this thread, if they got what they wanted, no one would apologize for the vitriol. Very few out of the over 1000 pages would actually give thanks. They would mod their bunny boys (because screw those fem Hrothgar amirite) and never use the forums again.

Or complain that their boys can't wear X Y and Z because being a big company, they can only put out PERFECTION >:C

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Why should they apologize? They haven't done anything wrong others than creating a topic showing the devs and the community how important it is to them. There's nothing to apologize for.

Just pinging here to reiterate my ongoing support for male viera and female hrothgar! If they happen I know I would fantasia to viera the day that goes live :)

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Originally Posted by craybest

Why should they apologize? They haven't done anything wrong others than creating a topic showing the devs and the community how important it is to them. There's nothing to apologize for.

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Yeah. It was only for the first idk, 10-30 pages or so that people with questionable intentions really showed themselves. They came back briefly a few times since but I haven't seen them for awhile now. The thread is largely civil without those people and I don't see any issues, much less anything people need to apologize for.

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Originally Posted by craybest

Still hoping we'll someday soon get male viera! Lots of people want them evidently.
Blowsy mind they didn't learn their lesson with the whole miqote issue.

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Specially considering how viera are really similar to miqote as well, a classically beautiful race with animal ears, and hrotgar are furry roes

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Originally Posted by Gula

Funny thing about this thread, if they got what they wanted, no one would apologize for the vitriol. Very few out of the over 1000 pages would actually give thanks. They would mod their bunny boys (because screw those fem Hrothgar amirite) and never use the forums again.

Or complain that their boys can't wear X Y and Z because being a big company, they can only put out PERFECTION >:C

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I have seen that the people who would sacrifice female hrotgar for male viera are just a minority, and not a vocal one. Most people want both genders to be added at the same quality

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Originally Posted by craybest

Still hoping we'll someday soon get male viera! Lots of people want them evidently.
Blowsy mind they didn't learn their lesson with the whole miqote issue.

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What is this Miqote issue that people are talking about? All I remember and can find online is that the dev team said that male Miqote, female Roegadyn and highlanders were something they must have in the game but after calculating the cost of adding them. If they can, they will implement those first and then look into other races like demi humans or dragons. But I don't remember this being a massive issue that they deiced to add them because of it, nor can I find anything about it online at that time. In fact, you can find interviews dating to 2013 where Yoshida hinted that Viera might be female only and another race would be used for the male counterpart. So there was no promise about not having genderlocked races in the game at all.

Maybe I'm wrong, so I'd wanna see sources of said issue and promise.

Of course this doesn't mean I'm against adding them. I'm all for more options. But I don't like it when some spread misinformation just because they want something.

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Originally Posted by BadLala

What is this Miqote issue that people are talking about? All I remember and can find online is that the dev team said that male Miqote, female Roegadyn and highlanders were something they must have in the game but after calculating the cost of adding them. If they can, they will implement those first and then look into other races like demi humans or dragons. But I don't remember this being a massive issue that they deiced to add them because of it, nor can I find anything about it online at that time. In fact, you can find interviews dating to 2013 where Yoshida hinted that Viera might be female only and another race would be used for the male counterpart. So there was no promise about not having genderlocked races in the game at all.

Maybe I'm wrong, so I'd wanna see sources of said issue and promise.

Of course this doesn't mean I'm against adding them. I'm all for more options. But I don't like it when some spread misinformation just because they want something.

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Male miqo'te, Female Roegadyns and highlanders didn't exsist in 1.0 and were added due to popular demand and yoshi p thinking the genderlock was an archaic thing that shouldn't exist anymore. He also promised he wouldn't let it happen again in XIV yet here we are almost 7 years later.

That's the issue: the broken promise. It is only 1 of many that have happened since the disaster of housing.

Which supports my theory that the addition of Hrothgar was a top management decision which Yoshida couldn't say no to. GW2 and World of warcraft were struggling all of 2018; what better way to draw in people from those competitors? Give them a race that looks like something you'd find in those games. They've seen the "everything is cute and anime in XIV, that's why I wouldn't play it."

Viera was sacrificed, the race we've been asking for since 2012....They just took our request for granted/not seriously. They have to right to do so, but we also have to right to criticize it and push back on how bad of a decision that is when you consider the lessons they "learned" from 1.0. Many of those lessons focused on "listen to your fans, not every dev decision should override what the fans wan."
Myself and I dare bet most people here would have preferred male and female Hrothgar to the situation we have now. If Hrothgar mattered so much to them, hey, we would've understood. It happened once with Au ra, why would it be different this time? People would've understood their dislike for Viera and shrug it off.

On that note, I'd love to know if I'm right. Would you guys have preferred full Hrothgar instead of Viera? Genderlock is just that nasty.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Male miqo'te, Female Roegadyns and highlanders didn't exsist in 1.0 and were added due to popular demand and yoshi p thinking the genderlock was an archaic thing that shouldn't exist anymore. He also promised he wouldn't let it happen again in XIV yet here we are almost 7 years later.

That's the issue: the broken promise. It is only 1 of many that have happened since the disaster of housing.

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It is well known that they didn't exist in 1.0. But when did he promise that they wouldn't genderlock any race if he already stated they might do that in 2013? If he never promised that, then there's no broken promise. And if the broken promise was the issue, then there's no issue anymore. And as I said before, I couldn't find a single source of him making such promise. If there was, then my next lines are pointless and I take back what I said.

Now just because it's not an issue, it doesn't mean it's not important. It's a request now from the players and the OP shows that. And everyone has requests that they want to see added to the game and have the right to ask for them. It's up to the dev team to see which request can benefit the game and what would it cost them to implement it. But we shouldn't spread false information to push our requests.

Saying the practice of genderlocking is archaic and they want to fix that is a clear statement. They saw that as a mistake, a mistake they just repeated. Doesn't have to be a promise, a statement/stance on genderlocking is very strong, I'd argue it's stronger than a promise. Everyone knows promises are made to be broken, most often than not they are. Stating that genderlocking is archaic and mistake is actually more condemning in my opinion; it goes deeper into design philosophy and dev to customer understanding.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Saying the practice of genderlocking is archaic and they want to fix that is a clear statement. They saw that as a mistake, a mistake they just repeated.

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They also said once upon a time that individual player housing would be separate from FC housing and cheaper. Point is, plans change for better or worse.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They also said once upon a time that individual player housing would be separate from FC housing and cheaper. Point is, plans change for better or worse.

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The FC housing change was for the worse.
People have to criticize the change in stance, you have to hold their statements to account. Their statements might drive some people to support the product because they know the game will continue to do this thing you like or not.

A Realm Reborn saved Square enix from teetering into bankruptcy, just like Capcom was in the same situation a few years back; they've been rewarding their big franchises for saving them, namely Monster Hunter and Resident evil. Point being, this game design stance they had against genderlocking was very important to many people and as such they will criticize the change.

This is less a lesson to players/customers, and more a lesson that Square enix needs to re-learn. As soon as good competition arrives it's things like this that might drive some people to jump ship. They need to keep that in mind.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Would you guys have preferred full Hrothgar instead of Viera? Genderlock is just that nasty.

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I personally would have preferred full Vieras instead of Hrothgar. Not because of genderlocking being an issue or not. I'm just not a fan of feline races so it's a personal preference. But I do understand why they went with the choice they made, since it appeals to another demographic in the player base and even new players that didn't play the game due to the lack of these races.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Saying the practice of genderlocking is archaic and they want to fix that is a clear statement. They saw that as a mistake, a mistake they just repeated.

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Where/when did they say that? Also, that doesn't make it a promise that they won't do it. If they thought that genderlocking was the best choice for the game, they would still do it. To them, adding these two new races fulfills the request of more players than one full race.

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Originally Posted by BadLala

I personally would have preferred full Vieras instead of Hrothgar. Not because of genderlocking being an issue or not. I'm just not a fan of feline races so it's a personal preference. But I do understand why they went with the choice they made, since it appeals to another demographic in the player base and even new players that didn't play the game due to the lack of these races.



Where/when did they say that? Also, that doesn't make it a promise that they won't do it. If they thought that genderlocking was the best choice for the game, they would still do it. To them, adding these two new races fulfills the request of more players than one full race.

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To them, yes.
This however has repercussions. It just means they didn't learn from the 1.0 lessons.
Brand and product/service loyalty takes a hit when things like that happens. Hey they want to gamble, we're just here giving them a chance to rectify their bad decision. When ignored people do what people are wont to do; move to a product where the developers listen to them.

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Originally Posted by BadLala

I personally would have preferred full Vieras instead of Hrothgar. Not because of genderlocking being an issue or not. I'm just not a fan of feline races so it's a personal preference. But I do understand why they went with the choice they made, since it appeals to another demographic in the player base and even new players that didn't play the game due to the lack of these races.



Where/when did they say that? Also, that doesn't make it a promise that they won't do it. If they thought that genderlocking was the best choice for the game, they would still do it. To them, adding these two new races fulfills the request of more players than one full race.

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Sadly it also reinforces the cliched stereotype that females should be sexy and males should be powerful and big.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Which supports my theory that the addition of Hrothgar was a top management decision which Yoshida couldn't say no to. GW2 and World of warcraft were struggling all of 2018; what better way to draw in people from those competitors? Give them a race that looks like something you'd find in those games. They've seen the "everything is cute and anime in XIV, that's why I wouldn't play it."

Viera was sacrificed, the race we've been asking for since 2012....They just took our request for granted/not seriously. They have to right to do so, but we also have to right to criticize it and push back on how bad of a decision that is when you consider the lessons they "learned" from 1.0. Many of those lessons focused on "listen to your fans, not every dev decision should override what the fans wan."
Myself and I dare bet most people here would have preferred male and female Hrothgar to the situation we have now. If Hrothgar mattered so much to them, hey, we would've understood. It happened once with Au ra, why would it be different this time? People would've understood their dislike for Viera and shrug it off.

On that note, I'd love to know if I'm right. Would you guys have preferred full Hrothgar instead of Viera? Genderlock is just that nasty.

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I think that the marketing strategy here was, add egnderlocked races, add them poorly, get bad press, all press is considered good press for bussiness after all. Then, in the next expansion, fix the races and add the missing gneders, get again a lot of press but good one this time, plus they are also selling a solution to a problem they have created, which is one of the most frequent marketing tactics ever.
I'd say viera since it fits mroe int oFFXIV, and hrotgar have such poor quality I'd rather have gotten Ronso or something else entirely over them tbh

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Originally Posted by BadLala

I personally would have preferred full Vieras instead of Hrothgar. Not because of genderlocking being an issue or not. I'm just not a fan of feline races so it's a personal preference. But I do understand why they went with the choice they made, since it appeals to another demographic in the player base and even new players that didn't play the game due to the lack of these races.



Where/when did they say that? Also, that doesn't make it a promise that they won't do it. If they thought that genderlocking was the best choice for the game, they would still do it. To them, adding these two new races fulfills the request of more players than one full race.

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tbh, seeing how poorly hrotgar males at least are designed, they should've just given us a completely different beast race. Also I dont get why we have 2 cat races in the game. I think that the bara/furry/ESO Horde WoW demographic would have prefered Lupin or actual Ronso or anything like that over what we got tbh

I'd have preferred it if Hrothgar looked closer to the Ronso of FFX, though I don't mind the presence of more than one cat based race in the game. Miqo'te barely qualify as is given that they're 90% human other than their tail and ears. Beefy cat men are also pretty popular in Japan as a concept based on the art I've seen floating around online.

After seeing Hrothgars "in the wild" (pun very MUCH intended), I think they're ADORABLE. Their /sit pose is SO CUTE and they're like huge flooffy plushie cats that would go "mrow" if you squeeze them. Don't think I'd play one myself but if there were fem!Hroth (and I liked the design) I probably would, seeing as how I'm considering actually playing my Femroe alt because I like their look.

More on-topic: it wasn't a "promise" iirc so much as a general expression of dislike for the concept of gender-locks, and a sort of "commitment" to do right by the fanbase. Of course, we know dev priorities change, and I DO believe that Yoshi-P was faced with a very tough decision after being told the next race would be the last one. At least the dev team is now aware of the desire for m!Viera and f!Hroth; with any hope, we could see some confirmation (legalese: in a timeframe when the dev team is comfortable with and doesn't take away from other confirmed projects for FFXIV, silence on the issue is not a confirmation that they are or are not going to be implemented)

Oh! Also, I've said this before but it's surely gotten lost in the 1.2k pages, but months (years?) after Yoshi-P said about introducing another race because "Male Viera would be weird" they released concept art of HW, which included concept art for the Viera, male and female, so we know they were thinking of them at SOME POINT.

I would have prefered full lupin over hroth/viera. We already had a cat race in game so to me, it was an odd choice to add another cat race, just bigger. And if they would have added full ronso, it just would have been the same as hroth, just smaller.

While im happy with hroth, i would have liked if maybe male hroth had female rougadyn body type. The whole barrel chest haunched over looks odd, but when they do stand upright, they look ok.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I would have prefered full lupin over hroth/viera. We already had a cat race in game so to me, it was an odd choice to add another cat race, just bigger. And if they would have added full ronso, it just would have been the same as hroth, just smaller.

While im happy with hroth, i would have liked if maybe male hroth had female rougadyn body type. The whole barrel chest haunched over looks odd, but when they do stand upright, they look ok.

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But then you couldn't draw Elders Scrolls/GW2 players over.
Understand...

But I get what you mean, sadly they forced XIV's dev team into this mistake where we end up with really weird/limited races; no hair, no helmets/hats, roegadyn body, instead of Lupin (whom they cited as to why they wanted to add an animal race).
I guess I'll rephrase the quesiton. Would female and male Viera supportes would have preferred full Lupin race instead of what we got? I'd say yes, full Lupin with badass female Lupin would've added real flavor, compared to the half-race we got with Viera/Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

But then you couldn't draw Elders Scrolls/GW2 players over.
Understand...

But I get what you mean, sadly they forced XIV's dev team into this mistake where we end up with really weird/limited races; no hair, no helmets/hats, roegadyn body, instead of Lupin (whom they cited as to why they wanted to add an animal race).
I guess I'll rephrase the quesiton. Would female and male Viera supportes would have preferred full Lupin race instead of what we got? I'd say yes, full Lupin with badass female Lupin would've added real flavor, compared to the half-race we got with Viera/Hrothgar.

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I honestly dont understand why so many wanted viera so hard in the first place. Its honestly just another human with animal ears. We already have human, human with long neck, human with dragon horns and scales, human with cat ears and cat tail, and humanized potato. As much as i wish we had gotten lupin, at least hroth isnt just big human with cat ears and tail, while viera is just human with bunny ears.

"But hroth is just roe with cat ears" Yes and no, its roe with a unique head that looks nothing like anything else in the game. I hope we get lupin some day, or maybe lupin head and tail for hroth or something.

Also, again, im not saying im aginst male viera, before anyone comes at me with that. Im fine with them being added, but i still stand firmly that they need to at least finish male hroth and female viera before adding the other sex.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

But then you couldn't draw Elders Scrolls/GW2 players over.
Understand...

But I get what you mean, sadly they forced XIV's dev team into this mistake where we end up with really weird/limited races; no hair, no helmets/hats, roegadyn body, instead of Lupin (whom they cited as to why they wanted to add an animal race).
I guess I'll rephrase the quesiton. Would female and male Viera supportes would have preferred full Lupin race instead of what we got? I'd say yes, full Lupin with badass female Lupin would've added real flavor, compared to the half-race we got with Viera/Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I honestly dont understand why so many wanted viera so hard in the first place. Its honestly just another human with animal ears. We already have human, human with long neck, human with dragon horns and scales, human with cat ears and cat tail, and humanized potato. As much as i wish we had gotten lupin, at least hroth isnt just big human with cat ears and tail, while viera is just human with bunny ears.

"But hroth is just roe with cat ears" Yes and no, its roe with a unique head that looks nothing like anything else in the game. I hope we get lupin some day, or maybe lupin head and tail for hroth or something.

Also, again, im not saying im aginst male viera, before anyone comes at me with that. Im fine with them being added, but i still stand firmly that they need to at least finish male hroth and female viera before adding the other sex.

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No. I don't think the majority of viera supporters (male or female) would have preferred a ful llupin race. Viera are attractive and being near human is why people like them. The people who want(ed) lupin are probably, like, furries, and the devs stated they only wanted to release a beast race to appease the crowd who wanted one; to fill out the races. This was going to supposedly be their "last chance" to add in any races, so they added hrothgar for this reason, and viera because the community had been wanting to play as viera for years and years.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

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You do understand Feline Beast Races are popular in General Right?
This isnt some stunt to specifically target ES fans much less GW fans.
Even though I myself also love the Hrothgar (just a cat person in general) the Khajiit and Charr are better developed, and have more history to them.
So....I'm not quite understanding the idea or logic that the Hrothgar were made to draw in Elder Scrolls or Guild Wars fans. Their games handled their Beast Cats better, so it's not like there is any special draw to them in FFxiv

Don't pretend haha
GW2 was crashing and burning in 2018. What XIV offers over them is not a better cat race but a better game; GW2 isn't in maintenance mode right now for no reason. FFXIV offers Charr players a big and thriving population, you know the first reason to play an mmorpg? As far as Elders Scrolls, well while it's still doing well what better way to pique their interesting, as well as World of warcraft players who were looking for the exodus.

I always laugh when you think this is not the case. If adding Ronso mattered that much to them they would've added them with Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I would have prefered full lupin over hroth/viera. We already had a cat race in game so to me, it was an odd choice to add another cat race, just bigger. And if they would have added full ronso, it just would have been the same as hroth, just smaller.

While im happy with hroth, i would have liked if maybe male hroth had female rougadyn body type. The whole barrel chest haunched over looks odd, but when they do stand upright, they look ok.

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I don't get just why they did hrotgar males the way they did. They took the most unpopular race in the game, added new textures and head, edited their animations and expected them to be popular. I just wish we had gotten a cool looking fierce/ primal looking beast race which, other than in female hrotgar, has almsot 0 chance of happening right now. Also hrotgar males look kinda like roes in well designed fursuits? Oh, and one thing I've noticed is hat while their body type is different than roes, whenever you equip gear, u just go back to the refrigerator build. Very dissapoining if u ask me. I think female viera even if they cant wear headwear or have limited options are very well done in their animations and the model itself, which is one of the reason why I would've prefered male viera over male hrotgar. Imo, it would have certainly been good if they just gave us lupin as well, many people wanted them too