Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

I have a better idea than gear score.

What about an option in the duty finder to avoid being paired with players who play with a controller instead of keyboard?
Please SE, give it to us!

Gear does not equal skill. However, even the most skilled player will not be able to beat a mechanic that is clearly a 'gear check'. MMOs are meant to make you grind. They want you to improve your gear so you have to spend a lot of time playing and keep paying for your subscription. Even though this game is definitely more casual friendly, you should NOT forget that the makers of the game need to keep you 'hooked' somehow.

I have seen skilled players with bad gear and bad players with great gear. But, having good gear, for some fights, is unfortunately a prerequisite.

I ran wanderers, ak, and ifrit hard for fun with a group of people geared in lvl 45 gear for spritbonding and we had no problem. It may take a little longer but it comes down to knowing the fight. Also, healers don't need gear as bad as dds and tanks because the difference in healing between af and dark light isn't that much and their abilities can make up the difference. But in the more hardcore fights like the coils it's a must, I don't think it would be a problem up to garuda hard.

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Originally Posted by SetzeR85

I guess I'm so new to MMO's I'm not understanding... Just progressing in the game to level 46, the storyline quests alone have given me level 50 gear (evokers horn, etc.. Etc.)... fighting in fates and doing grand company leves (which is how I have killed time waiting to get into dungeons) have given me seals which give higher level gear than that, and doing the dungeons have given me the tomes to get even higher level gear than that... Not sure what the problem is?

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The problem, my friend, is that most of the MMO-mentality today includes playing for two weeks and being in full engame gear so you can go around showing off your cool armour to everyone. When this isn't possible, it will be considered a grind.
It would be fun to see these people back in the old MMO days where stuff was actually hard to obtain.

Call me old, but isn't the whole point of a game to play it? I mean, I don't think it would be any fun to try to do anything endgame without learning everything I have to this point and be better at playing? I mean, hell, Im still getting yelled at in some of the dungeons and I thought my job was to just attack whatever the tank is attacking?

Just because you have lvl 70 gear doesn't mean it's the best though, compare gear made by a lvl 50 weaver. Technically it's lvl 70 gear and highest ranked GC gear is about 70, but it sucks compared to the dark light. I think when they put in the gear score a lot of people are going to be shocked to find out that the devs think certain places can be beat with lower lvl gear than they thought, but then the elitists will find another reason to bar people and say that they aren't skilled enough or something to put the blame on someone else.

I honestly can't see much of a problem with this. For the vast majority of players that follow the story and sidequest to endgame, they will have the armor they need for most dungeons through quest rewards alone. Accessories would be the only thing that people might have to put some effort into upgrading.

I imagine that the only time anyone would really notice the gear check is for ilvl 55+ dungeons (endgame). While I understand people's complaints of "good gear doesn't make a good player", being the most skilled player that gets one-shotted by attacks that shouldn't be a 1HKO because of under-leveled gear still makes you a detriment to the group.

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Originally Posted by Mkilbride

Welp. Now, we'll see shouts "LF X class, with gear level x"


FFXI was my favorite MMORPG, and yes, I know this isn't XI, and everyone here hates XI, but I'd liked how in XI, in those end-game raids and the like, people didn't complain about your gear. They just had fun doign it, win or lose. I'd like to at least get XI's awesome community back.

Changes like this prevent a good community from forming.

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IDK what you're talking about FFXI now is all about gear. You aint killin Dakuwaqa with garbage salvage gear. lol

The main thing I get annoyed at a lot is the fact that I'll run a dungeon several times for gear and still not get anything for my trouble, (I play conjurer 24 and no where near end game yet) and when I finally see some Disciple of magic oriented gear drop only to see the Thaum get it or the arcanist get it. I don't mind the ilvl, but I also don't want to spend my entire FFXIV career chasing one piece of armor just to get into the next dungeon and spend my entire career. It gets more than rediculous if you run a dungeon 50 times and still not get the item you're looking for.

In reply to the "Grind", I am truly well and done with grinding. I am the story based player. I am also whether I want to be or not a casual player due to relatively limited playtime. I get bored by grinds, I've done too many of them.

I also completely detest elitists.

Keep me entertained for storyline and I'll keep playing. throw grinds at me all the time and I'll end up quitting.

Well the point of gear level locks is that you don't have to should for a min gear level to run an instance, those without the gear wont be able to enter.

And you are very naïve to think that a lack of gear score would mean that people wouldn't just examine people and then leave the instance if you were under geared....which imo is an even bigger pain in the ass...since you join a group and you are geared to do it but some guy wants to skip content is there, and now the group falls apart, wasting your time.

People do gear checks for a reason, the game requires you to have a certain level of gear to complete a dungeon. Its not that hard to understand.

You are not suppose to be able to clear endgame in a week, you are suppose to have to work on getting gear in order to progress..

If you don't want gear scores or people to care go play GW2 or any other game where endgame pvp is non existent and dull.