SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

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Originally Posted by Hart

One case of the system working doesn't make it a sure bet. For all you know, it could be the exception to the rule.

EVE and XIV are completely different games with completely different economies. You can't make money and level up in XIV by doing absolutely nothing. You can progress in EVE without playing it. So it's not surprising that everyone in favor of buying gil cite it as the game that most have in common. Your dollars won't help you in Eorzea, and I hope they never do. If you want to get ahead you can log in and work towards a goal like everyone else.

Also, assuring people that something will work when only citing two sources out of X amount of MMOs is ridiculous.

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It's more ridiculous to assume it won't work when there are two examples in which it worked and none in which it didn't.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

http://rushprnews.com/images/posts/5...6348b81051.jpg

This graph shows that RMT prices for in-game currency in EVE have dropped nearly 75% since the introduction of the PLEX system in 2009. That means that RMTers have earned 75% less profits since PLEX was implemented. PLEX works. Sources, huzzah!

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Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.

And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.

I don't have the time to read this entire thread (or even the OP), but is this something like what Blizzard did with D3?

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Originally Posted by Maiyuu

I don't have the time to read this entire thread (or even the OP), but is this something like what Blizzard did with D3?

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Nope. Completely different.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Nope. Completely different.

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That is debatable. Cash shop is a cash shop. One is just a little less convenient than the other.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.

And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.

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I've never played EVE but as far as I can tell, GTC was not implemented specifically as an RMT countermeasure. Rather it was a glorified subscription-gifting system---like gifting Xbox Live 12-month cards before that became a real thing.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.

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Deflation, it's called deflation.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.

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You're wrong. There were GTC's before, but they were not usid ingame. They existed as a string of numbers that would grant you 60 days playtime if entered in the corresponding field in your account mgmt page.

They then developed the idea of sabotaging RMT and started using these as an ingame item, developed the term "PLEX", which means "Pilot License Extension".

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

http://rushprnews.com/2012/07/11/new...nomy-by-mmobux

http://rushprnews.com/images/posts/5...6348b81051.jpg

This graph shows that RMT prices for in-game currency in EVE have dropped nearly 75% since the introduction of the PLEX system in 2009. That means that RMTers have earned 75% less profits since PLEX was implemented. PLEX works. Sources, huzzah!

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they woulnt be selling anything if they were not making profit. either way there still making bank.

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Originally Posted by Maiyuu

I don't have the time to read this entire thread (or even the OP), but is this something like what Blizzard did with D3?

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In the sense of: Buying gold is not okay. Except, buying gold is okay as long as Blizzard profits. Yes.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Store credit =/= real money though, which is why it stops RMT.

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It doesn't stop RMT companies. It don't see how it would.

Let's say for the sake of clarity that I was an RMT company owner/manager.

Wouldn't silling gil become more desirable because now players can use the gil they buy to not only gear their character, but also now pay for their subscription? Also, if the in-game item were 100K Gil.. and I could reliably sell 100k for 5 dollars, I could just get my RMT team to purchase the in-game item with the excess gil they farmed.. and thus increase my profits because I no longer have to worry about subscriptions.

I understand the idea for getting more subscribers(players playing), I don't see how it does anything against RMT.
I don't think it matters; SE should just whack moles. If people want to consider this idea, they shouldn't consider it as an RMT counter-measure I think..

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Um, be careful how you are reading this chart. What we see here can also directly correlate with the drop in ISK value due to inflation.

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But ISK isn't inflated.

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And let me throw yet another wrench into the works:

PLEX is the name adopted for GTC. GTC was implemented 2006 or earlier, long before this graph is monitoring.

Regardless, not only are you trying to align plex with a date on the graph which does not line up, but the prices continually fluctuate to the point where there is no direct correlation between GTC/PLEX and RMT activity.

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I see some furious googling there. You don't sound like someone that would know anything about EVE to be honest.

The graph is relevant because the procedure for the trade of GTC was definitely unwieldy and didn't work through the in-game commerce features.

Not only. Fluctuations happen in every market, but the downward trend is absolutely evident. There was no other event around the start date of the graph that could have caused the downward trend, so your wrench isn't as effective as you would like.