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Originally Posted by Abriael

Dunesfolk gives an average of 12-13k with a full 8 people party, 3 stars (4 stars takes about twice as much due to the wolves regenerating like mad, and doesn't give much more). with less than 4 levels of difference and 4-way link. Killing all the mobs available. Ranine reveries (which is what I guss you're referring with "ravine"?) gives less, as puks are rather low in their sp gain. So no, does not compute.

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dunesfolk gives 20-25k with 3 links in a 4 man party....even better
add in ranine for another 20k
and cracked up for another 10k

you get 50k per cycle easily, without repeats

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Dunesfolk gives an average of 12-13k with a full 8 people party, 3 stars (4 stars takes about twice as much due to the wolves regenerating like mad, and doesn't give much more). with less than 4 levels of difference and 4-way link. Killing all the mobs available. Ranine reveries gives less, as puks are rather low in their sp gain. So no, does not compute.

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1 link + guardian dunesfolk 3 stars = 740-800 per wolf/peiste 500 for bombs. do the math , with luck you can get around 8-10 pairs of wolfs.Do the math.

ravine gives around 300-400 with 1 link per mob , 3 mobs = 900-1.2k per set .This one is luck but at least 10k from it easily every reset.

I think your 8 people party must be hindering your sp, do you leve link all 8 ? couse 4 is max.I think thats why you dont get my numbers.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

dunesfolk gives 20-25k with 3 links in a 4 man party....even better
add in ranine for another 20k
and cracked up for another 10k

you get 50k per cycle easily, without repeats

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Funny, for me Cracked up gives quite a lot more than ranine reveries. I'm sure you can get around 50k per full cycle (after the recent change to SP), but definitely not with just those three, I get 50-55k with a full Broken Water/Halatali run. And that takes quite a lot more than 2 hours.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Funny, for me Cracked up gives quite a lot more than ranine reveries. I'm sure you can get around 50k per full cycle (after the recent change to SP), but definitely not with just those three, I get 50-55k with a full Broken Water/Halatali run. And that takes quite a lot more than 2 hours.

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yes with just those 3
i do it every cycle, and have been doing that for 2 months now

you get ALOT more sp per kill with 4 people then you do with 8 and thats where you are missing the sp

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yes with just those 3
i do it every cycle, and have been doing that for 2 months now

you get ALOT more sp per kill with 4 people then you do with 8 and thats where you are missing the sp

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Glad someone else said it , he thinks everythin i say is flaming him for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Glad someone else said it , he thinks everythin i say is flaming him for some reason.

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yeah, some people dont realize optimal leve party is 4 man not 8 still

with 4 man, you get 1250 SP per kill in dunes
you get 780 per kill in ranine
and i think it was 600 or so in cracked up


with 8 you get maybe half that or close

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yeah, some people dont realize optimal leve party is 4 man not 8 still

with 4 man, you get 1250 SP per kill in dunes
you get 780 per kill in ranine
and i think it was 600 or so in cracked up


with 8 you get maybe half that or close

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The problem is that with 4 you don't get as many links of the "good" leves, unless, of course, everyone has exploited the abandoning trick for a long time and goes out always with the same. Personally, I didn't get dunes in the last 6-7 cycles, starting to wonder if SE removed it from my list.

How many stars out of curiosity? because I did try 4-5 people a few times when I didn't have the time to form a full group, and I still didn't see even nearly those numbers.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

1 link + guardian dunesfolk 3 stars = 740-800 per wolf/peiste 500 for bombs. do the math , with luck you can get around 8-10 pairs of wolfs.Do the math.

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Never once seen more than 6 pairs of wolves. 3 already out, 3 spawned by the light points. That's pretty much the regular count.

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ravine gives around 300-400 with 1 link per mob , 3 mobs = 900-1.2k per set .This one is luck but at least 10k from it easily every reset.

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Even here, I get about 200 per puk.

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I think your 8 people party must be hindering your sp, do you leve link all 8 ? couse 4 is max.I think thats why you dont get my numbers.

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Nah, that's rather obvious, we do a leve count first, and then we link 4 max, and repeat if we have more.

And we aren't even counting the fact that guardian aspect runs out and fatigue. I'm costantly on the yellow the day after it resets, two max. and that does take a toll.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The problem is that with 4 you don't get as many links of the "good" leves, unless, of course, everyone has exploited the abandoning trick for a long time and goes out always with the same. Personally, I didn't get dunes in the last 6 weeks, starting to wonder if SE removed it from my list.

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That sums it up.Is not a exploit . You loose rewards for sp.
Its the most efficient way to level up .You dont need to grind mindlessly.
All you need is some people to leve link this leves every reset for a couple of hours.
Im amazed you were unaware of this .You dont need to not have a life to get couple of classes at 50. All you need is to log on couple of hours with the same people for few weeks.

Also just ignore surplus , i never gotten less than -80sp ? or somethin like that . Not really that big deal.

Ab, we do it on 2 stars currently(we are all pre 40)
when we get higher and see ANY dip in sp, we raise it to 3 stars

the ammount of starrs only sets the base level of the leve, it doesnt give you any sort of bonus sp on top of what the mobs will give you.

yes we all fail it on purpose every time(not an exploit, this was purposely implemented by the devs last year, its reward vs sp)

so it works rather well.....and it works as well as i claim it does

also having everyne within 4-5 levels maximizes the sp too

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

That sums it up.Is not a exploit . You loose rewards for sp.
Its the most efficient way to level up .You dont need to grind mindlessly.

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I would definitely disagree that's not an exploit to be honest.
When failure equals better results, then it can be pretty much defined an exploit, and I wouldn't be surprised if SE patched it somehow sooner or later.
Mind you, i'd definitely use it if i ever got that damn quest, but I personally can't see it as anything else than an exploit of a flawed system.

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All you need is some people to leve link this leves every reset for a couple of hours.
Im amazed you were unaware of this .You dont need to not have a life to get couple of classes at 50. All you need is to log on couple of hours with the same people for few weeks.

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Reducing your fun by quite a lot in the process, as you completely cancel out the socialization aspect of an MMO. Again, not surprised that you're bored.
And you're still not counting in fatigue and consumption of Guardian Aspect.

@Thevedis: I never group with people with more than 4 level difference, obviously.