Building a better Alphinaud

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Originally Posted by Theodric

None of which is arguing in favour of people sending the development team death threats. Interested onlookers can follow the post to see the full context - but my stance has been that it sucks that it is happening but people who aren't doing it don't need to be lectured or subtly or overtly implied to be party to it when they have no involvement.

I've also observed that the existence of some people going too far is often exploited by those who want to silence criticism towards the game - which is a trend I have observed with increasing frequency after Endwalker's decidedly mixed reaction.

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Just an observation but you seem to have a strange understanding of the concepts of ignoring and derailing. I don't see why you continue to exacerbate the issue by replying, most especially if you don't like it.

Unless you are being outright Harassed and Stalked, I see no reason to block people, especially on a Videogame Forum.
If the 2 mentioned things aren't happening, then it just makes you look like you cant handle a conflicting/Opposite opinion to your own. And I find that cowardly.

Moving on...I do wonder if they intend to bring back Arenvald.
I dont know how well liked he was, but I thought he was cool, and he had the echo. Seems weird to completely write him out when he could have done & offered more to the group, even as a Lyse/Yda 2.0 where he was mainly muscle.
Seeing him in that wheelchair was a 'Feels-bad man'

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Unless you are being outright Harassed and Stalked, I see no reason to block people, especially on a Videogame Forum.
If the 2 mentioned things aren't happening, then it just makes you look like you cant handle a conflicting/Opposite opinion to your own. And I find that cowardly.

Moving on...I do wonder if they intend to bring back Arenvald.
I dont know how well liked he was, but I thought he was cool, and he had the echo. Seems weird to completely write him out when he could have done & offered more to the group, even as a Lyse/Yda 2.0 where he was mainly muscle.
Seeing him in that wheelchair was a 'Feels-bad man'

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They'll probably cure Arenvald, because injury and death does not usually stick in this game if you are a not a bad guy and are a Scion, or a Scion in everything but name.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've also observed that the existence of some people going too far is often exploited by those who want to silence criticism towards the game - which is a trend I have observed with increasing frequency after Endwalker's decidedly mixed reaction.

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Care to show evidence?
Because I am legit curious if people are Actually trying to silence criticism, or if they just meerly disagree, and you dont like conflicting/different opinions.
You asked for evidence on claims against you...now Im asking for the Claims you make to other people.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They'll probably cure Arenvald, because injury and death does not usually stick in this game if you are a not a bad guy and are a Scion, or a Scion in everything but name.

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I have a hunch that he'll remain in a wheelchair if only to get the most out of the unique asset that they created for him. Not that it'll ever stop him from being pushed halfway across Eorzea if needed to show up at a meeting to say his piece whenever he next makes a cameo. It's just a shame that he was tied so heavily to Fordola - they would have worked incredibly well as an active duo but now Fordola is essentially held back by Arenvald's injury even though she's already proven herself trustworthy enough to go and fight alongside the player character if she so wished.

With that said, Arenvald was apparently the inspiration behind Alphinaud deciding to become a Sage. Maybe that was because the original plan was for Arenvald to die in the finale of Shadowbringers, though.

I don't think you can blame someone for defending themselves against posters who are being unnecessarily argumentative and have admitted to continuing to do so even if they're blocked. Frankly, it just comes across as trying to stifle feedback they don't agree with and it's a bad look, especially when some of it is bordering on getting personal. The only reason they're not getting more pushback and feel they can keep going after certain posters is because they've scared others out of this thread once they incessantly started in on the few posters here who've tried to stand their ground.

Even though I'd agree blocking/ignoring is the best way to go, I also think this type of behavior needs to be discouraged.

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

I don't think you can blame someone for defending themselves against posters who are being unnecessarily argumentative and have admitted to continuing to do so even if they're blocked. Frankly, it just comes across as trying to stifle feedback they don't agree with and it's a bad look, especially when some of it is bordering on getting personal. The only reason they're not getting more pushback and feel they can keep going after certain posters is because they've scared others out of this thread once they incessantly started in on the few posters here who've tried to stand their ground.

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Please. Theodric and Aveyond have, at multiple times, claimed their opinions to be objective signifiers of quality or majority opinion. You can't make claims like that and then complain about argumentativeness or pushback. Also, being blocked or ignored doesn't demand that the other person does likewise.

Furthermore, your claim that people have been "scared" out of the thread is going to require some sort of evidence, considering that the majority of people posting here have likewise disagreed or argued against what the two of them are saying. Most of their support has come from their clique of friends who typically agree with everything they say, such as you.

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

it just comes across as trying to stifle feedback they don't agree with and it's a bad look

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I would seriously love to see some examples.
Unless Ive just somehow been dodging it or...SOMETHING, Ive seen no example of people trying silence or Stifle Criticism of the game.
Disagreement/A Different opinion is not Silencing someone. This feels like a Victim narrative to allow you/someone to complain and say whatever they want, and be free of consequence and block any other opinion.
Then if people still disagree, then the Go-to defense is to just label them a White Knight, a shill, a cult member, and accuse them of thinking YoshiP or the Devs are this Can-do-no-wrong people that must be shielded. Just...its childish. And comes off desperate and makes you look insecure in your own opinions.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

[snip]There is a big amount of the player who is not happy with the story. We do not know number or have the proof but it is big we can feel it. [snip]

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That's a very long post just to define the word "copium".

Must be nice if we can always convince people of different opinion without proof because we can simply "feel" it. Have you ever tried that at a job interview or when negotiating a pay raise?

Fordola turns up on her own in the Endwalker role quest capstone, no mention of Arenvald. So I do think they'd be willing to put her in storylines alone when they think she'd fit there. Their role in the SMN lv80 quest was interesting, though; I understand why they can't, but I'd be interested in seeing a version of that quest written for players who are after the point where Arenvald is injured.