Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

If there’s still going to be a continued discussion in this thread, can certain people please stop saying that somebody’s subjective gameplay preferences are wrong or that someone has to be trolling solely because the somebody in question happens to prefer the newer job design to the older job design? It’s pretty rude, and I doubt that Square Enix is as likely to take the contents of this thread seriously when it contains what some could see as the appearance of continued harassment.

Preferring the newer job design doesn’t automatically mean that there still aren’t rooms for improvement as well either; I’d like to see Ruin IV considered as being changed into an ability so that it can be weaved with other spells for instance, as one friendly proposal of the top of my head. The current job isn’t perfect even if I do personally (subjectively) prefer it to its previous form.

As someone who prefers the newer job design to the older job design, I also previously noted in this thread multiple areas where each of the newer spells technically differed, but I also mentioned other improvements that I would like to see; I’m not opposed to newer updates.

One of those things was that I felt that the level 86 elemental trait (that introduces what I feel are the most significant factors in terms of deciding elemental usage order) should be swapped around with some lower-level trait, since I’m not personally a fan of limiting those major spells and abilities to the newest content.

Another thing is that being able to cast the attack buff when you’re not in the middle of battle should be a thing again, since you can’t currently have it prepared right before a raid boss is initially pulled.

All that said, I think it’s totally fine if other people on these forums have other suggestions or even major dislikes too as long as they’re shared respectfully.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

If there’s still going to be a continued discussion in this thread, can certain people please stop saying that somebody’s subjective gameplay preferences are wrong or that someone has to be trolling solely because the somebody in question happens to prefer the newer job design to the older job design? It’s pretty rude, and I doubt that Square Enix is as likely to take the contents of this thread seriously when it contains what some could see as the appearance of continued harassment.

Preferring the newer job design doesn’t automatically mean that there still aren’t rooms for improvement as well either; I’d like to see Ruin IV considered as being changed into an ability so that it can be weaved with other spells for instance, as one friendly proposal of the top of my head. The current job isn’t perfect even if I do personally (subjectively) prefer it to its previous form.

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I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

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I would guess threads like this are why devs generally ignore the NA forums. There is very little useful criticism, it's all hyperbole "job is dead" or "job isn't complex enough for my big ego".

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I would guess threads like this are why devs generally ignore the NA forums. There is very little useful criticism, it's all hyperbole "job is dead" or "job isn't complex enough for my big ego".

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Sorry about your illiteracy, and if you're not illiterate please erect your strawmen elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I would guess threads like this are why devs generally ignore the NA forums. There is very little useful criticism, it's all hyperbole "job is dead" or "job isn't complex enough for my big ego".

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Kinda rich to complain about hyperboles while making use of a paraphrase yourself, because of course, everyone that would like some more complexity is just a dirty little elitist with a big ego.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

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Having 7 threads on first 2 pages just to repeat the same opinions is not really a way to maximise the impact of valid feedback, and so if it feels your feedback is being ignored (it's not, they've shown they do pay attention to the english forums and other english media) and a lot of time the opinions they're not listening to are bad takes presented badly and it's right to ignore them.

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Originally Posted by Gruntler

Having 7 threads on first 2 pages just to repeat the same opinions is not really a way to maximise the impact of valid feedback, and so if it feels your feedback is being ignored (it's not, they've shown they do pay attention to the english forums and other english media) and a lot of time the opinions they're not listening to are bad takes presented badly and it's right to ignore them.

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I don't really understand what else you'd expect people to try. A 200 page megathread of complaints and criticism, like the DRK one they have already ignored? Maybe we make a scrapbook of everything wrong with the job, giftwrap it and mail it? What's the maximum impact here?

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

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Apparently, JP thinks SQEX doesn't listen to them and that West is their priority for feedback.
That's actually concerning when it comes to feedback.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Apparently, JP thinks SQEX doesn't listen to them and that West is their priority for feedback.
That's actually concerning when it comes to feedback.

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Clearly we aren't sugar-coating the criticism enough so no ones feelings get hurt.

Seriously though, any company developing public software should not be having the developers themselves look at the unfiltered criticism, that's just an all round horrible idea no one working in the field would recommend. If that's how SE is having feedback handled they are doing things very, very wrong. You need some kind of community managers mediating between them and end-users. Obviously we know the devs are working with time constraints and whatever else complications, but a huge anonymous user-base is still not going to mince words about the end result. That's just a completely unrealistic expectation and I don't believe anyone parroting "but YoshiP told you to be nice about it, if you don't your point is invalid" is arguing in good faith.