SE's inability to protect players from stalking/harassment

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Originally Posted by AiUsagi

It doesn't solve anything because she would just make an alt and loiter outside the property. She can still comment to me when she is blacklisted via the message book, so I still fail to see how the blacklist system is affective? I could lock the FC house, but again, how is that fair to me or my entire FC when we should be able to play this game harassment free. It's not right that I have to lock out everyone else because SE is incapable of proper mediation or providing features that would prevent this kind of stuff. Again, I wouldn't have been harassed if I was able to hide my location and my affiliations. I've done what I can to avoid the harassment/stalking. It is Square Enix that needs to realize their failures and do something to fix them so everyone can enjoy the game and not have to choose between being harassed by having an open house, or excluding everyone else entirely. It's total BS.

EDIT/ This forum is intended to raise awareness to these problems in game and my situation will serve as an example. Square Enix needs to fix their jank.

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Reality is you could simply ignore their alts, and report them for bypassing your BL by creating new alts. Sure it is unfair to your FC but that is the reality of the situation if you locked your FC house even if they are on your plot standing around but I doubt standing around on someone’s plot is considered harassment.

Sure you may be trying to bring awareness but on the other token you are fueling their behavior. Passed off the messages clearly they are out to get your reaction and they are probably enjoying this more then you could imagine. You can place all the blame you want on SE, but as it is has been said many times this is not a new issue and nothing has been done about it. Sorry your situation is not unique or special and I doubt they are going to fix it because you are bringing awareness to the issue. It is up to you to protect yourself and no one else if that means inconveniencing your FC so be it I am sure they would understand. Do not get me wrong sure it will be annoying to keep black listing and reporting but that is the most you can actively do.

Is there to at least ask square to allow a key system like swtor has? You give people a key to your house depending of what permission you want them to have, and you can delete that key and ban them from your house if they get too rowdy. I know it wont fix them making a million alts, but than they would just need to log the person. I think we have a unique code do we not for our accounts? I know playstation has an id but I am sure there may be a similar thing server side they have so they know whose account or mac address or ip address is connecting to their service. Most of these people will just use the same account not even buy a new one, I feel like this should be easy to implement.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Reality is you could simply ignore their alts, and report them for bypassing your BL by creating new alts. Sure it is unfair to your FC but that is the reality of the situation if you locked your FC house even if they are on your plot standing around but I doubt standing around on someone’s plot is considered harassment.

Sure you may be trying to bring awareness but on the other token you are fueling their behavior. Passed off the messages clearly they are out to get your reaction and they are probably enjoying this more then you could imagine. You can place all the blame you want on SE, but as it is has been said many times this is not a new issue and nothing has been done about it. Sorry your situation is not unique or special and I doubt they are going to fix it because you are bringing awareness to the issue. It is up to you to protect yourself and no one else if that means inconveniencing your FC so be it I am sure they would understand. Do not get me wrong sure it will be annoying to keep black listing and reporting but that is the most you can actively do.

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How long is long enough that victims stop being held responsible for their abuse and when do the abusers face repercussions? My situation seems rather extreme, and like most people bring up, most abusers get bored and move on- mine has continued for 2yrs- with or without interaction. It really makes no difference and it's really messed up that Square Enix just allows for these kinds of things to keep occuring. My situation may not be special, but most people are simply complaining. I admit 100% that I am complaining right now, but I am also advocating and encouraging others to speak out about their issues and bring up ideas that may help SE change their damned features. It may do nothing, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised due to how diligent they've been already regarding how "serious" they take stalking and harassment, but it's worth a shot. My abuser isn't going to stop anyways, so I may as well advocate for changes in the forum while the abuse continues, which is, btw what SE encourages people to do- provide feedback and commentary in the forums.

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Originally Posted by AiUsagi

How long is long enough that victims stop being held responsible for their abuse and when do the abusers face repercussions? My situation seems rather extreme, and like most people bring up, most abusers get bored and move on- mine has continued for 2yrs- with or without interaction. It really makes no difference and it's really messed up that Square Enix just allows for these kinds of things to keep occuring. My situation may not be special, but most people are simply complaining. I admit 100% that I am complaining right now, but I am also advocating and encouraging others to speak out about their issues and bring up ideas that may help SE change their damned features. It may do nothing, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised due to how diligent they've been already regarding how "serious" they take stalking and harassment, but it's worth a shot. My abuser isn't going to stop anyways, so I may as well advocate for changes in the forum while the abuse continues, which is, btw what SE encourages people to do- provide feedback and commentary in the forums.

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Truth. But I have seen a few banned for their stalking to players, so I don't think it is totally ignored, they should do more. Some are just off completely. One guy said the market board was HIS and he was harassing and acting out over me USING IT. I don't even know how to deal with that level of odd.

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Originally Posted by AiUsagi

How long is long enough that victims stop being held responsible for their abuse and when do the abusers face repercussions? My situation seems rather extreme, and like most people bring up, most abusers get bored and move on- mine has continued for 2yrs- with or without interaction. It really makes no difference and it's really messed up that Square Enix just allows for these kinds of things to keep occuring. My situation may not be special, but most people are simply complaining. I admit 100% that I am complaining right now, but I am also advocating and encouraging others to speak out about their issues and bring up ideas that may help SE change their damned features. It may do nothing, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised due to how diligent they've been already regarding how "serious" they take stalking and harassment, but it's worth a shot. My abuser isn't going to stop anyways, so I may as well advocate for changes in the forum while the abuse continues, which is, btw what SE encourages people to do- provide feedback and commentary in the forums.

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That is the thing if you just keep ignoring them the most they will get is one a couple of messages to you. I do not have a house but if you lock the house how would they be able to leave messages about you?

Tbh your situation is not that extreme, it is unfortunately more common then it should be, though the difference is from experience often people just ignored it and moved on, if you do not fuel the fire, going to their FC leader, their “bf” creating a post adds fuel to the fire you are bringing attention to their behavior. I have had friends get harassed similar to you, we just got together bought them a brand new account and we all made alts on a new server to play with them. Granted road to 70 made this easier but sometimes as the victim you need to take extreme measures like uprooting to avoid harassment.

Based off your screen shots once they messaged you and you ignored them how far could it have gone? Also sure the forums are their to provide feedback, but if that feedback comes at the cost of adding fuel to the harasser I do not personally think it is worth it tbh, though do you as mentioned in other posts.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

That is the thing if you just keep ignoring them the most they will get is one a couple of messages to you. I do not have a house but if you lock the house how would they be able to leave messages about you?

Tbh your situation is not that extreme, it is unfortunately more common then it should be, though the difference is from experience often people just ignored it and moved on, if you do not fuel the fire, going to their FC leader, their “bf” creating a post adds fuel to the fire you are bringing attention to their behavior. I have had friends get harassed similar to you, we just got together bought them a brand new account and we all made alts on a new server to play with them. Granted road to 70 made this easier but sometimes as the victim you need to take extreme measures like uprooting to avoid harassment.

Based off your screen shots once they messaged you and you ignored them how far could it have gone? Also sure the forums are their to provide feedback, but if that feedback comes at the cost of adding fuel to the harasser I do not personally think it is worth it tbh, though do you as mentioned in other posts.

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Again, bringing up the fact that the only solution is to leave the server entirely or quit the game? That makes zero sense to me. The fact of the matter is, there should be more to prevent people from having to do that. I have locked and unlocked my FC doors several times, but I really shouldn't have to continue making that decision when the blacklist feature should have been enough to prevent this kind of harassment.
In any case, its probably best we just agree to disagree? To an extent I agree that it is the responsibility of the victim to do what's best for them, but its also that it is 100% wrong on behalf of square enix to allow this kind of behavior to continue unchecked. People who would abuse other people deserve to face repercussions for their actions and if SE claims to take that as seriously as they do, then why do their features contradict what they say?

It is important to highlight the failings of the friend / blacklist system, and SE really needs to fix parts of it, but it's sad that your personal drama is now being hashed out in the forums as well. You both need to grow up and just walk away from each other completely.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

It is important to highlight the failings of the friend / blacklist system, and SE really needs to fix parts of it, but it's sad that your personal drama is now being hashed out in the forums as well. You both need to grow up and just walk away from each other completely.

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Yes, thank you. I really hope that SE implements some better features for its players soon! There are far too many loopholes that can be abused for the blacklist system to be affective.

Still impersonating my character on a trial account and harassing my FC and friends.
https://imgur.com/063eWjv

https://imgur.com/RuSASNg
On my friend's FC book

I hardly even play this game anymore; just stop already.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-with-stalkers